Tebow

[Tarlam!]

If you truly believed what Tebow believes, then it would go against your faith not to share the virtues of Jesus Christ. He truly believes the way to salvation is through Jesus Christ.

Harv, he can share all he wants, but in an environment that is fitting. A simple "I am blessed" during an interview regarding the game of football is sufficient and inoffensive. A harmless "I praise Jesus" once in a while? Nobody really gives a toss.

Rodgers has also made it clear that his Lord and Saviour is named Christ. The majority of athletes that believe aren't repulsive with their public articulation. Tebow takes it far too far.

As I clearly stated, it is the amount of sharing that has me utterly repulsed. Too much of a good think is a bad thing. Like water. 3-4 litres a day is a good, healthy thing. 30-40 litres will drown you.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Like water. 3-4 litres a day is a good, healthy thing. 30-40 litres will drown you.

It is however enough for a wet T-Shirt contest.

[Kiwon]

Good for him. I am the least bigoted person anyone could hope to meet. If your deity is a ping pong ball, good for you. Tebow should enjoy his relationship with God without any repercussions, but for the love of God, privately. Having him "share" his relationship with me when a mic is put in front of him is pornographic to my senses. I am keen to listen to his take on the game. I want to hear how he assesses his own performance.

Like I've always said, I admire the kid's talent and up tempo attitude. He's a role model to those who buckle in the face of adversity and he appears to be a genuinely nice kid.

I also have zero problem with the praying on the sidelines or the tebowing after a TD. None whatsoever. I just can't handle 4-6 "thank you, God(s)" in the space of an 8 minute interview and 4 "I am blessed(s)". It makes me vomit in my mouth. Other players and coaches are equally in a close relationship with a deity of their choice and make do with one "thank you, God" and one simple "I am blessed" to round it off.

Tarlam, you are kidding yourself. You are a first-class, religious bigot.

This man, whom you don't know at all, is not harming you in any way. This "I,me,my" talk on your part is ridiculous. Oh, this horrible human being is assaulting your delicate senses by saying "I am blessed"? Good grief, man, you need therapy.

America is not Europe, thank God, and we have a Judeo-Christian foundation AND Freedom of Speech, and even (gasp), Freedom of Religion. Tim Tebow is not going to change. His personality is what it is. You've stated your opposition over and over. So get over it already, you whiner. Most Americans probably don't agree with Tebow on a lot of things but we don't freak out over him expressing some basic, standard religious beliefs.

You claim that "I am the least bigoted person anyone could hope to meet," well, start acting like it. So far, you've come across as preachy, intolerant, narrow-minded and very bigoted.

God bless you! Now, did you lose your lunch?

[pbmax]

Tarlam, you are kidding yourself. You are a first-class, religious bigot.

This man, whom you don't know at all, is not harming you in any way. This "I,me,my" talk on your part is ridiculous. Oh, this horrible human being is assaulting your delicate senses by saying "I am blessed"? Good grief, man, you need therapy.

America is not Europe, thank God, and we have a Judeo-Christian foundation AND Freedom of Speech, and even (gasp), Freedom of Religion. Tim Tebow is not going to change. His personality is what it is. You've stated your opposition over and over. So get over it already, you whiner. Most Americans probably don't agree with Tebow on a lot of things but we don't freak out over him expressing some basic, standard religious beliefs.

You claim that "I am the least bigoted person anyone could hope to meet," well, start acting like it. So far, you've come across as preachy, intolerant, narrow-minded and very bigoted.

God bless you! Now, did you lose your lunch?

OK, I'll bite. Exactly how is Tarlam stepping on Tebow's right to be protected from State and Federal interference in his religious expression? Tarlam isn't Austria, Alabama or the Department of Agriculture; he is a poster, and is as entitled to his right to be offended by Tebow's statements as Tebow is entitled to make them. What, exactly, does Europe have to do with this disagreement?

Surely you do not think that only Europeans find Tebow's public proclamations of faith tiring?

[mmmdk]

It is however enough for a wet T-Shirt contest.

[Kiwon]

OK, I'll bite. Exactly how is Tarlam stepping on Tebow's right to be protected from State and Federal interference in his religious expression? Tarlam isn't Austria, Alabama or the Department of Agriculture; he is a poster, and is as entitled to his right to be offended by Tebow's statements as Tebow is entitled to make them. What, exactly, does Europe have to do with this disagreement?

Surely you do not think that only Europeans find Tebow's public proclamations of faith tiring?

Oh, spare me! Yeah, Tarlam, is offended. How many times does he need to repeat himself before we get the message?

Tebow is not changing and he will be a player in the league for a long time. It's a situation Tarlam can't control and instead of the histrionics and claiming that Tebow is assaulting him, it's more sensible to come back to reality and move on. Or will this thread overtake the 'Farve' thread as the longest in PR history?

I don't like Hip-Hop, the music, the values, the lyrics, but I don't whine about it constantly. I generally ignore it. I offer you and Tarlam this same advice.

[sharpe1027]

Tarlam, you are kidding yourself. You are a first-class, religious bigot.

This man, whom you don't know at all, is not harming you in any way. This "I,me,my" talk on your part is ridiculous. Oh, this horrible human being is assaulting your delicate senses by saying "I am blessed"? Good grief, man, you need therapy.

America is not Europe, thank God, and we have a Judeo-Christian foundation AND Freedom of Speech, and even (gasp), Freedom of Religion. Tim Tebow is not going to change. His personality is what it is. You've stated your opposition over and over. So get over it already, you whiner. Most Americans probably don't agree with Tebow on a lot of things but we don't freak out over him expressing some basic, standard religious beliefs.

You claim that "I am the least bigoted person anyone could hope to meet," well, start acting like it. So far, you've come across as preachy, intolerant, narrow-minded and very bigoted.

God bless you! Now, did you lose your lunch?

As suggested by Pbmax, Tarlam is no more denying Teboy's freedom of speech by criticizing his public opinion than you are denying on Tarlam's freedom of speech by criticizing his public opinion. Freedom of speech encourages discourse between disagreeing parties, it does not entitle someone to make a public statement without being criticized.

Tebow uses his popularity and publicity, obtained from playing a sport, as a vehicle to repeatedly mention his religion. Is it that unexpected that some people are put off listening to repeated religious references when they are watching a sporting event? Is it so terrible that someone thinks that this might not be the best venue for Tebow to be expressing his religious opinions? Nobody is saying that Tebow does not have the right to say what he does, but some people may find it tiresome. Some people want to enjoy football without being bombarded with religious statements every other sentence. The horror.

[mmmdk]

Thank goodness that I'm ½ Americanos, ½ European! That's why you love me more... But sometimes the "½'s" fight and the Scandinavian part (or third "½"???) is always caught in middle of this...Scandinavia might actually be my best "½"! Go figure.

[sharpe1027]

Oh, spare me! Yeah, Tarlam, is offended. How many times does he need to repeat himself before we get the message?

I can understand your dislike for the repetitive nature of Tarlam's posts on this subject. Tarlam has a similar issue with Tebow's comments on religion. How many times does he need to repeat himself before we get the message?

[gbgary]

i just ignore tebow. he really doesn't say much. he thanks EVERYONE and that's about it.

[falco]

OK, I'll bite. Exactly how is Tarlam stepping on Tebow's right to be protected from State and Federal interference in his religious expression? Tarlam isn't Austria, Alabama or the Department of Agriculture; he is a poster, and is as entitled to his right to be offended by Tebow's statements as Tebow is entitled to make them. What, exactly, does Europe have to do with this disagreement?

Surely you do not think that only Europeans find Tebow's public proclamations of faith tiring?

+1

[MadtownPacker]

Tebow has gone out of his way to clearly state that he doesn't believe God is picking winners and losers. He's just thankful for all that his God and his savior has done for him. He feels blessed.

"What we do with such blessings, that is the true test of a man.".

[bobblehead]

The shit is just all ridiculous--why would any God pick one football player/team over another? Does Tebow's version of God love Denver more than Pittsburgh? Does his God love the sick children rooting for the Broncos more than the sick children rooting for the Steelers?

Give me a fucking break.

It would seem....yes.

[mraynrand]

Tebow uses his popularity and publicity, obtained from playing a sport, as a vehicle to repeatedly mention his religion. Is it that unexpected that some people are put off listening to repeated religious references when they are watching a sporting event? Is it so terrible that someone thinks that this might not be the best venue for Tebow to be expressing his religious opinions? Nobody is saying that Tebow does not have the right to say what he does, but some people may find it tiresome. Some people want to enjoy football without being bombarded with religious statements every other sentence. The horror.

Yup. Freedom of expression doesn't protect you from freedom of criticism. Or vice-versa, especially if the critique is mean-spirited.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Harv, he can share all he wants, but in an environment that is fitting. A simple "I am blessed" during an interview regarding the game of football is sufficient and inoffensive. A harmless "I praise Jesus" once in a while? Nobody really gives a toss.

Rodgers has also made it clear that his Lord and Saviour is named Christ. The majority of athletes that believe aren't repulsive with their public articulation. Tebow takes it far too far.

As I clearly stated, it is the amount of sharing that has me utterly repulsed. Too much of a good think is a bad thing. Like water. 3-4 litres a day is a good, healthy thing. 30-40 litres will drown you.

I tend to agree with you. To me, there's a time and a place to prosthelytize. He may be turning people off who may actually be interested in the message he is giving, if given in a different manner. I do believe his heart is in the right place. I don't think I could state it better than Penn. I have family and friends who are not believers. My approach to spread the Word is more subtle, but it would be hard for me to believe what I do and not want my loved ones to hear the message.