Tebow

[MadtownPacker]

I don't care what Tebow says or does off the field. I've never heard him interviewed. Hell...I don't really care that much about what Rodgers says or does off the football field. I listen to a little radio....I read PR and a few other websites...that's it. I choose not to be bombarded by all the BS that the media or Tebowites throw around. It's just not important.

Man oh man....you know the NFL is loving this shit though.

I know the NFL is loving that you said you dont give a shit about Tebow yet here you are posting in this thread.

Sorry but you're the NFL's bitch too.

[Joemailman]

Trivia question: Rainbow wig guy did not always cite 3:16, do you remember the other citation he used?

Don't know. I wonder how many people realize why he disappeared from public view:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...p-those-john-3

On September 22, 1992, believing the Rapture was only six days away and having prepared himself by watching TV for 18 hours a day, Stewart began his last "presentation." Posing as a contractor, he picked up two day laborers in downtown LA, then drove to an airport hotel. Taking the men up to a room, he unexpectedly walked in on a chambermaid. In the confusion that followed he drew a gun, the two men escaped, and the maid locked herself in the bathroom. The police surrounded the joint, and Rollen demanded a three-hour press conference, hoping to make his last national splash. He didn't get it. After a nine-hour siege the cops threw in a concussion grenade, kicked down the door, and dragged him away.

About to be given three life sentences for kidnapping, Rollen threw a tantrum in the courtroom and now blames everything on a society that's "bigoted toward Jesus Christ." A cop who negotiated with him by phone during the hotel standoff had a better take on it: "With all due respect, maybe you look at a little bit too much TV."

[Kiwon]

The whole pro-life ad with his mom during the superbowl a few years ago was definitely pushing an agenda...

You mean this innocuous thing? Wasn't it banned from broadcast because it’s too controversial? Chuckle, chuckle..

[Kiwon]

The bottom line is that Tim Tebow is happy and a lot of other people aren’t.

And, because he says that his faith is a key source of his happiness, it irks those who reject his belief system and/or consider themselves too smart to have religious faith.

Tim Tebow’s success on the field has nothing to do with his faith. He never claimed it has and this vilifying of whom anyone objectively can see is a decent human being is ridiculous.

The people that are so emotionally insecure to allow themselves to get upset over his brief comments at press conferences and then start to attack him are apparently too dumb or too intolerant to realize that it is the media that they should be targeting and not Tebow.

The narratives and headlines that they supposedly find so offensive are driven by the media. The sport writers and commentators are having a field day with the public and you can bet that they are thrilled that their readership and viewership is going up. I watch the NFL Network and I have been tired of hearing about Tebow for weeks. However, his story is a rich, journalistic gold mine, and these guys are generating interest and making a lot of money for their companies and themselves.

But, of course, a few of these writers are the genuine article - unhappy, high-minded moralists that take offensive to Tebow’s expression of mainstream, evangelical beliefs that have been a part of America’s DNA since its founding. These are the ones who stir the pot of intolerance.

And there’s the rub; Tebow’s comments have not been extreme or excessive to anyone with just a modicum of religious or historic perspective. In reality, to his detractors, Tebow’s major crime is that he is happy and many irreligious people simply are not and wish that he was more like them.

[Freak Out]

I know the NFL is loving that you said you dont give a shit about Tebow yet here you are posting in this thread.

Sorry but you're the NFL's bitch too.

You got me there bitch.

[Freak Out]

Tim Tebow is not George Bush......yet.

[Fosco33]

You mean this innocuous thing? Wasn't it banned from broadcast because it’s too controversial? Chuckle, chuckle..

Well - I can't recall any NFL commercial that turned moral/political before - probably have been some - just not any recent ones. Best part of pro football is that it crosses every line from religion/politics/etc. We use football to escape from the seemingly endless need for people to inundate their views on others.

Tebow acted essentially as a sponsor of Focus on the Family - an anti gay, anti porn, anti gambling - group that compares liberals with nazis... Fucking crazy people... As a libertarian, I fundamentally disagree with organizations that Tebow has aligned himself with publicly and don't wish him any success.

[Freak Out]

Well....maybe he is worse.

[Tarlam!]

Kiwon, in your defense of this athlete you simply ignore what people actually post with such dogmatism, you make yourself look positively stupid, which I am certain you are not. I am fine with your support, but I resent greatly inventing unthruths based on obvious kneekerk reactionism: you label posters as bigots, insecure, intolerant, irreligious, unhappy and, by desciption, conceited and gullible to persuasion by the media.

You've got some nerve.

Christians like you are what turns many people away from the Word. You ought to pray for some guidence; currently, you demonstrate extreme misguidence.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Well - I can't recall any NFL commercial that turned moral/political before - probably have been some - just not any recent ones. Best part of pro football is that it crosses every line from religion/politics/etc. We use football to escape from the seemingly endless need for people to inundate their views on others.

Tebow acted essentially as a sponsor of Focus on the Family - an anti gay, anti porn, anti gambling - group that compares liberals with nazis... Fucking crazy people... As a libertarian, I fundamentally disagree with organizations that Tebow has aligned himself with publicly and don't wish him any success.

I'm a libertarian, but I'm also Christian. That's a pretty serious charge you are making. I don't know anything about them. Are you saying that the group has stated that liberalism is like nazism or are you taking a member's words to paint a broad brush for the group as a whole? I don't know. I'd just like some intellectual honesty. I just went to their website. They seem to be for homosexual tolerance but oppose gay marriage. I personally think the government should get out of the business of marriage. Have civil unions from the government's perspective and leave marriage up to churches, mosques, etc.--without the threat of government interference.

[pbmax]

Eh, that's enough for me.

[Tarlam!]

I personally think the government should get out of the business of marriage. Have civil unions from the government's perspective and leave marriage up to churches, mosques, etc.--without the threat of government interference.

I didn't marry in a church, but I value the term "marriage" on my certificate. Making theism a condition of marriage is contradictary to freedom of religion, IMO.

Unless there are laws to distinguish eligdibility for marriage even civil unions become a free for all. What age is legal? How many people may be married to how many husbands/wives at any given time?

With all due respect, the law is required to stipulate these things. It is impractical if not dangerous for the government get out of the business of marriage.

[pbmax]

I'm a libertarian, but I'm also Christian. That's a pretty serious charge you are making. I don't know anything about them. Are you saying that the group has stated that liberalism is like nazism or are you taking a member's words to paint a broad brush for the group as a whole? I don't know. I'd just like some intellectual honesty. I just went to their website. They seem to be for homosexual tolerance but oppose gay marriage. I personally think the government should get out of the business of marriage. Have civil unions from the government's perspective and leave marriage up to churches, mosques, etc.--without the threat of government interference.

There are probably a lot of things you could say about Focus on the Family, but homosexual tolerance isn't high on the list, unless an absence of a plan to deport homosexuals to Honduras counts as tolerance. Focus on the Family is one of the many groups that believes in reparative therapy, that is, therapy to cure or treat individuals of their homosexual urges. Should such treatment fail, they recommend celibacy as a possible alternative.

As to comparing liberals to Nazis, that sounds like a statement made by an individual rather than a mission statement. Googling it might help.

[Fosco33]

Eh, that's enough for me.

Just trying to say that Tebow's 'aw shucks' attitude seems a little 'gay' and the debate needed some alternate points.

Also done with Tebow discussion... didn't mean to steer it this way.

Harv - google Manhattan Declaration and James Dobson (founder of FOTF). To be fair - it was heavily politically motivated (anti Obama) and signed by many Christian right leaders (notably Dobson).



Go Pack

[Kiwon]

Kiwon, in your defense of this athlete you simply ignore what people actually post with such dogmatism, you make yourself look positively stupid, which I am certain you are not. I am fine with your support, but I resent greatly inventing unthruths based on obvious kneekerk reactionism: you label posters as bigots, insecure, intolerant, irreligious, unhappy and, by desciption, conceited and gullible to persuasion by the media.

You've got some nerve.

Christians like you are what turns many people away from the Word. You ought to pray for some guidence; currently, you demonstrate extreme misguidence.

Completely agree with this, but he rams it down my throat every chance he gets. This is what I find so offensive about an otherwise likable and talented kid.
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Good for him. I am the least bigoted person anyone could hope to meet. If your deity is a ping pong ball, good for you. Tebow should enjoy his relationship with God without any repercussions, but for the love of God, privately. Having him "share" his relationship with me when a mic is put in front of him is pornographic to my senses. I am keen to listen to his take on the game. I want to hear how he assesses his own performance.

Like I've always said, I admire the kid's talent and up tempo attitude. He's a role model to those who buckle in the face of adversity and he appears to be a genuinely nice kid.

I also have zero problem with the praying on the sidelines or the tebowing after a TD. None whatsoever. I just can't handle 4-6 "thank you, God(s)" in the space of an 8 minute interview and 4 "I am blessed(s)". It makes me vomit in my mouth. Other players and coaches are equally in a close relationship with a deity of their choice and make do with one "thank you, God" and one simple "I am blessed" to round it off.

Tarlam, my posts are reactions to your assertions that somehow Tim Tebow is stalking you and assaulting you with his words. Are you ready to acknowledge that it is you who has overreacted and demonstrated intolerance toward a public figure that you don't know and have never met just because he expresses his faith very naturally in public? And, yes, for many, I think Tebow's happiness and confidence brings out a visceral distain in those who don't have much of either.

Tar, there are plenty of evangelical believers who don't feel completely comfortable with Tebow's approach. But, hey, they are not Tim Tebow. Tebow's a leader and his faith is central to his life and it is the reporters clamoring to put microphones in front of his face. From his perspective, he understands it as an opportunity to share about the God he truly loves. Of course, he is going to speak about the most important relationship in his life. If his life is guided 24/7 by his faith it would only be natural for him to do so.

In time, I think Tebow will learn to self-censer a bit, but that is his choice. He should not be silenced because of other people's insecurities or prejudices. The message of the Gospel, the Good News, is meant to be shared verbally. In fact, it's a command in the Scriptures. However, one has to consider his environment when it comes to receptivity. Tim Tebow is just 24 years old. He will learn to be a better communicator with age and experience. As I said before, his rapid success is a great football story but the faith dimension is being blown out of proportion by the press.

It is the press that is making Tebow into something he is not and distorting who he is. Unfortunately, it is those portrayals that are fanning the flame of religious intolerance that many people carry within them.