Tebow

[woodbuck27]

Tebow to the Jags makes more sense because of the draw he would be there. I don't think it would benefit his career the most, but he'd be back near his home.

DeMeco Ryans traded to the Eagles for a 4th round pick. What happened to him?

I think he went into some sudden decline with a change in the Texans defensive scheme; but I'll check that. I'm not totally sure but the Eagles have to be very pleased to acquire this player for the middle of their linebackers core. He's got talent.


OK Harvey here it is:

From: http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...or-draft-pick/

It’s a win-win situation. Ryans gets to play middle linebacker in the Eagles’ 4-3. And the Eagles are a Super Bowl contender.

Ryans, a seven-year veteran, was not suited to be a one-down player in the Texans’ 3-4. His role was diminished. He was removed every time the Texans went to their nickel defense.

[Pugger]

Out of all the teams in the league where Tim Tebow could go, if he wants to advance his career, Green Bay would be the place that would help him become all he can become IMO. 3 years here, his arm would be stronger, his fundamentals will be worlds stronger. His understanding of offense would be through the roof.

I'm a Tebow fan. I know this is cliche, but he finds a way. Expand his game a little and I think he could be a hell of a QB. I would not mind one bit if we traded a 3rd round pick for Tim Tebow. He's still a two year project, but he can come in and chicken scramble his way to wins as is. If he came here, I wouldn't be shocked if 3 years down the road, he's signing a deal bigger than the one Flynn just signed.

It seems like the QB position is one where good coaching makes a huge difference and Tim Tebow is a guy who would benefit even more than most from it.

Green Bay would be good move for Tebow so he could take advantage of our QB school but would Tebow be a good move for GB? I don't know if we need the media circus that is following this kid around.

[Rutnstrut]

They can't make an effort to sign Wells, but are considering Tebow. The only reason this makes sense is because TT is to stupid to put a good line around Rodgers, so they will need a decent back up when he goes down.

[Patler]

They can't make an effort to sign Wells, but are considering Tebow. The only reason this makes sense is because TT is to stupid to put a good line around Rodgers, so they will need a decent back up when he goes down.

By "make an effort to sign Wells" do you really mean ---"give Wells whatever he asked for"---?

[Upnorth]

They can't make an effort to sign Wells, but are considering Tebow. The only reason this makes sense is because TT is to stupid to put a good line around Rodgers, so they will need a decent back up when he goes down.

1. I think we should have paid for Wells. The question is would he stay.
2. TT is NOT stupid. He is one of the best GM's in the league and no one, no one is perfect. To me Wells was a mistake, however anyone who has gone two for two 1st round to the oline does not undervalue line play. With Wells we had a top 5 ine because of the efforts of TT. I will wait and see how EDS / FA fills Wells' shoes.

MM QB school would be great for Tebow, and I think we could trade a 4th (non comp pick) to get him. However I think the Jag's will out bid us. We dont play Denver this year so that helps our position, but I still think he goes to the Jags.

[woodbuck27]

By "make an effort to sign Wells" do you really mean ---"give Wells whatever he asked for"---?

No I think he means that Ted Thompson for whatever reason didn't make a decent or even marginally close to market value offer to Scott Wells. Scott Wells did all he could for the Green Bay Packers.

He was respected by linemates. Respected and ranked number one on the Packer OL by his own HC, Mike McCarthy.Mike McCarthy couldn't even imagine Scott Wells being unsatisfied in Green Bay.

Why? would he? Scott Wells was an every day come to work and get it done player and a Pro Bowl Center.

Mike McCarthy was surprized that Scott Wels might go elsewhere..but.... if the market afforded him and his Family more money and he said clearly the Scott Wells was certainly entitled and justified in making his best deal or leave Green bay to do that.

This spin that Scott Wells 'had a chip on his shoulder is washed out trumped up irrelevant spin to make TT look good or absolved of any mismanagement of the Scott Wells departure. That is for certain and a nice try but a NO.

Was TT talking to MM at that time RE: Scott Wells? From MM's reaction that Wells might actually depart Green bay does that seem so to you Patler?

HC = left hand...GM = right hand

Was the right hand talking to the left hand RE: anything Scott Wells?

Did Ted thompson care?

It surely seems to me that Scott Wells teammate (Lang cared). It sure seems to me that MM cared.

What on earth do you not agree with in my analysis Patler. Let's pin this down please.

[SkinBasket]

You can't trade a compensatory pick, Skin. Even if he gives you a Tebowner.

Oh Jesus on a stick! Our regular 4th then. Does it really matter? Sometimes I just want to murder you and suck the marrow from your detail oriented bones.

[SkinBasket]

They can't make an effort to sign Wells, but are considering Tebow. The only reason this makes sense is because TT is to stupid to put a good line around Rodgers, so they will need a decent back up when he goes down.

I'm going to put a line around you. Your neck. And pull it tight until you go down.

[woodbuck27]

Out of all the teams in the league where Tim Tebow could go, if he wants to advance his career, Green Bay would be the place that would help him become all he can become IMO. 3 years here, his arm would be stronger, his fundamentals will be worlds stronger. His understanding of offense would be through the roof.

I'm a Tebow fan. I know this is cliche, but he finds a way. Expand his game a little and I think he could be a hell of a QB. I would not mind one bit if we traded a 3rd round pick for Tim Tebow. He's still a two year project, but he can come in and chicken scramble his way to wins as is. If he came here, I wouldn't be shocked if 3 years down the road, he's signing a deal bigger than the one Flynn just signed.

It seems like the QB position is one where good coaching makes a huge difference and Tim Tebow is a guy who would benefit even more than most from it.

Ted Thompson has to really want him and sell coming to Green Bay over Florida... NO! I don't see that happening. Sometimes you might just need to look busy. Just kiddin' 'of course'.

I see Jacksonville showing more entusiasm for Tim Tebow than as I know him. Ted Thompson could ever muster. Sorry but that is just the TRUTH as I've observed our GM in terms of recruiting FA's. TT has too little experience there by design.

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god damnit

[Guiness]

Oh Jesus on a stick! Our regular 4th then. Does it really matter? Sometimes I just want to murder you and suck the marrow from your detail oriented bones.

Wow, that's WAY better than a Yo' Mamma joke!

[Patler]

What on earth do you not agree with in my analysis Patler. Let's pin this down please.

By and large everything you wrote is completely irrelevant in that it ignores the basic fundamental of salary cap roster building - you can't always pay everyone what they want, or even what they are "worth" on the open free agent market.

I have been saying for the last couple years that the Packers were approaching the same situation they had in the mid and late '90s. Enough good young players needing to be re-signed that reliable old ones and/or some young ones looking for second contracts will be lost. That is the way salary caps are supposed to work and do work. Teams that continually find good players don't get to keep all of them as long as they might like to.

TT made an offer to Wells that fit within the Packers' salary cap planning. Wells chose not to accept it, so he left. It does not mean he was right and TT was wrong, it just means they could not agree on a price. It's no different than buying a house. If you offer what you can afford to pay for a house you want, and the seller chooses not to accept your offer, you look for a different house that fits within your budget, and the seller looks for a different buyer with more money to spend.

It's really just a simple business transaction. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not. This year, it worked with Finley but not with Wells. I said all season they would probably be able to keep only one of them, not both. Initially I figured it would be Finley that they would lose, but once I heard the low franchise number for TEs, I thought it more likely they would keep Finley.

It amazes me that fans who have followed successful teams in fixed salary cap sports still get upset and look to place blame on the team when good players are lost. Yet, that same scenario happens over and over again. Good GMs earn their keep by how they control the impact of those losses of good players. It doesn't mean immediately finding players just as good to step in for the ones who left. Sometimes it is achieved by retaining or acquiring players at other positions to improve those positions instead.

[RashanGary]

Ted Thompson has to really want him and sell coming to Green Bay over Florida... NO! I don't see that happening. Sometimes you might just need to look busy. Just kiddin' 'of course'.

I see Jacksonville showing more entusiasm for Tim Tebow than as I know him. Ted Thompson could ever muster. Sorry but that is just the TRUTH as I've observed our GM in terms of recruiting FA's. TT has too little experience there by design.

I think your view of the results and probable outcome is pretty good. The reasoning, I'm not so sure. Thompson doesn't get desperate very often. He seems to use price vs play as one of his core decision making tools and doesn't seem to get overly excited for many players to the point where he's the highest bidder in UFA.

If each person is given 100 dollars, the guy who finds the best prices can have the most goods. It seems like Thompson isn't so concerned about one spot as he is with the whole picture. It seems like he wants the most talent possible and knows restricted free agents or guys a year early like Jennings, Rodgers, Sitton and Tramon get far better value. By having all of these guys for under value, we can afford more players around them.

Patience seems like a virtue for a GM. Whether I have the exact reason or not can be debated, whether it's true or not can be debated. In the words of Thompson, the proof is ultimately in the pudding. We'll see how much success Thompson has and ultimately, that's his mark. Why exactly, we can argue it, but you seem less credible when you criticize one of the most successful GM's in football. Odds are, you don't know. Odds are, he does.

[woodbuck27]

I think your view of the results and probable outcome is pretty good. The reasoning, I'm not so sure. Thompson doesn't get desperate very often. He seems to use price vs play as one of his core decision making tools and doesn't seem to get overly excited for many players to the point where he's the highest bidder in UFA.

If each person is given 100 dollars, the guy who finds the best prices can have the most goods. It seems like Thompson isn't so concerned about one spot as he is with the whole picture. It seems like he wants the most talent possible and knows restricted free agents or guys a year early like Jennings, Rodgers, Sitton and Tramon get far better value. By having all of these guys for under value, we can afford more players around them.

Patience seems like a virtue for a GM. Whether I have the exact reason or not can be debated, whether it's true or not can be debated. In the words of Thompson, the proof is ultimately in the pudding. We'll see how much success Thompson has and ultimately, that's his mark. Why exactly, we can argue it, but you seem less credible when you criticize one of the most successful GM's in football. Odds are, you don't know. Odds are, he does.

HI JH nice to see you here.

I'm not criticizing TT and anything RE: a possible acquisition of Tim Tebow. I'm merely going by how I observe TT's style as he goes about possibly acquiring a certain player. Of course i do not have the advantage of observing TT up close and personal and as a fan I'm not able to judge TT as he tasks his duties.

I'm not criticising TT and anything negative as TT does his job overall.

He certainly did alot that helped enable us win another Super Bowl.

What I have trouble with is TT's manner...his entusiasm and openness RE: his plan and focus on that as he goes about being the Packer GM.

I cannot criticize a man that has his hands tied in terms of CAP space and what's truly available to him to make a signing possible. Given the fact of OUR CAP space why then? Ever consider certain acqisitions.

Isn't that a waste of time and if I'm missing something in this regard? School me please. Thanks. (-:

GO PACKERS !

[KYPack]

It looks like Tebow will join the Evil Jet Empire.

Good.

That will be a total fuck-up and end Ryans reign.