Tebow

[woodbuck27]

Earlier, Patler and I worried teams were being far too rational and making doing regular business difficult.

I am not so worried anymore. The Jets are loons.

Its going to look great for half a season as no one will be able to pin down what they are doing with two QBs and two different offenses. But once it gets figured out they will not be able execute efficiently enough to out perform a prepared defense.

But it will be must see TV all season long.

Are you describing 'a circus'? 2 Rings.

[woodbuck27]

Evidently there is an issue withn the Tim Tebow trade to the New York Jets and at the end of the day he might still be a BRONCO.

This so called trade was announced prematurely. There are matters involved including $Big Money back to Denver$ and a draft pick or contingencies that need NFL Head office approval. This trade as it was NOT approved may be in violation of league policy.

Denver needs all the money it can get to pay Peyton Manningn No !

It's the NFL that has made this ruling of money back.

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/21/jets-trade-for-tebow-hits-a-snag-could-be-voided-rams-may-get-him/

Jets’ trade for Tebow hits a snag, could be voided, Rams may get him

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 21, 2012, 3:26 PM EDT

[Patler]

Earlier, Patler and I worried teams were being far too rational and making doing regular business difficult.

I am not so worried anymore. The Jets are loons.

Its going to look great for half a season as no one will be able to pin down what they are doing with two QBs and two different offenses. But once it gets figured out they will not be able execute efficiently enough to out perform a prepared defense.

But it will be must see TV all season long.

...and all is right with the world after all!

- New Orleans is hanged, drawn and quartered.
- SF torches its relationship with last years starting QB, a guy who reportedly lacks a little confidence anyway, and they do it for a last minute long shot to get an old beat-up QB.
- The Texans with a darn good defense can't find a way to hang on to their best player, then practically give away their leader to the shock of his team mates.
- The Bears trade for a guy who might be suspended, and if he isn't could do something new to be suspended, and this is supposed to fix what ails them.
- The 'Skins lose 1/4 of one years salary cap (actually, a little more)
- The Jets keep on being the Jets. Every move or attempted move (Manning) just creates more turmoil.
- Detroit commits an ungodly sum to a WR, and they had cap issues even without it.
- Miami proves itself to be a place no one wants to go to.
- John Elway provides ample reasons for players to mistrust what they are told.

....and those are just off the top of my mind.

What was our concern again? That spoiled rich boys would actually start taking care of their toys? Not a chance.

[pbmax]

Ahem....anyone notice that the guy sold a ton of merchandise for the Broncos, helped them to unexpectedly win their division and then led them as they accomplished one of the most memorable victories in the history of their franchise?

The likelihood is that whatever team signs Tebow, their revenue goes up. The NFL is a business, first and foremost, and Denver profited handsomely from Tebow, on and off the field. Any portrayal of Tebow as some kind of cancer is ridiculous.

Objectively, he's been a winner at every level of football, and for his two years in the pros, he's already had remarkable success. Tebow deserves a chance to show what he can do on the field, especially after further coaching and development in the off-season. Maybe he flames out, but whatever team signs him can do so knowing that he will represent the organization well as they count their money made from him on the way to the bank.

I agree that calling him a cancer is too strong. But with such a wave pf public support that depends lightly on on field accomplishments, I think its fair to say he is a walking distraction. And its nothing he is doing directly. Its what he represents. It brings a whole new wave of pressure to a team game that prefers distractions be minimized.

In some ways, its a matter of familiarity. Teams know how to deal with a diva WR or a report of a failed drug test. They don't know what to do with a savior (football related only).

In a way, his experience mirrors Doug Flutie, America's Midget.

[pbmax]

Are you describing 'a circus'? 2 Rings.

Well yes, indirectly. But that is not why I want to watch. I like anything that forces teams to do something different. And Tebow has that effect. Its good for the game to have a small revolution every now and again.

In some ways, Tebow's full effect will not be felt until the current generation of assistants get to take Tebow tape and plays and create a new generation of plays from those play ideas.

[pbmax]

I am unfamiliar with both prisons and chaplains. Do chaplains in prison also service the prisoners?

Same deal, but in prison you buy an indulgence with cigarettes or other considerations.

[Fritz]

...and all is right with the world after all!

- New Orleans is hanged, drawn and quartered.
- SF torches its relationship with last years starting QB, a guy who reportedly lacks a little confidence anyway, and they do it for a last minute long shot to get an old beat-up QB.
- The Texans with a darn good defense can't find a way to hang on to their best player, then practically give away their leader to the shock of his team mates.
- The Bears trade for a guy who might be suspended, and if he isn't could do something new to be suspended, and this is supposed to fix what ails them.
- The 'Skins lose 1/4 of one years salary cap (actually, a little more)
- The Jets keep on being the Jets. Every move or attempted move (Manning) just creates more turmoil.
- Detroit commits an ungodly sum to a WR, and they had cap issues even without it.
- Miami proves itself to be a place no one wants to go to.
- John Elway provides ample reasons for players to mistrust what they are told.

....and those are just off the top of my mind.

What was our concern again? That spoiled rich boys would actually start taking care of their toys? Not a chance.

I feel better about Ted's lack of free agency action regarding Scott Wells now.

And of course, being from the Motor Shitty, my favorite item on the list is the Lions' mortgaging of the future for a wide receiver. Suh, Stafford, and Nate Burleson re-negotiated their contracts to create the room. My guess is that none took a pay cut, but took a deferment that will pay them more down the road. Add to that the mini-spending spree they've been on (Stephen Tulloch for five years, I think, at around four mill a year), and other signings, and I don't see how the Lions can keep it going down the road. To me, they've set themselves up for a small window of opportunity - maybe the next two or three years? After that, it's katy bar the door.

[Kiwon]

I agree that calling him a cancer is too strong. But with such a wave pf public support that depends lightly on on field accomplishments, I think its fair to say he is a walking distraction

Tebow is respected and popular DUE TO his success on the field. And he earned the attention, and scrutiny, in the NCAA's toughest conference by winning two national championships and setting 5 NCAA, 14 Southeastern Conference, and 28 University of Florida statistical records.

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Passing Rushing
Season GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD INT Sack Att Yds TD
2006 14 201.7 33 22 66.7 358 5 1 0 89 469 8
2007 13 172.5 350 234 66.9 3,286 32 6 13 210 895 23
2008 14 172.4 298 192 64.4 2,747 30 4 15 176 673 12
2009 14 155.6 304 213 70.1 2,895 21 5 25 217 910 14
Totals 55 176.0 985 661 67.1 9,286 88 15 53 692 2947 57
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If he had been a flop on the field in college then no one would have known or cared about him. Last season, his talent and that popularity got him a chance to play and he made the most of that opportunity. And then, his further success made him even more popular.

I don't get the revisionism. Last year happened. It's a fact. His team had success on the field with him as the starting QB and he made a ton of money for his club. Success is a distraction? Distraction from what, losing? His team finished 8-8 and made the playoffs. They did not finish 1-15.

People need to examine why they have a logical disconnect between the Broncos success last season and crediting Tebow as a football player. It's obvious that a lot of it stems from their dislike of Tebow as an outspoken Christian athlete and their rejection of beliefs that he holds precious. If he was a Madden character with no personality and silent about his faith then their reaction to him would be different. But he's not a video game figure or silent about faith and that elicits reponses ranging from outright bigotry to the subtle discrediting of him as a professional football player. Objective reality says that Tebow was successful last year. It's time to just accept that fact. He may fail from this point forward, but last year was a good year for Tebow as a second year pro football player.

[Joemailman]

Kiwon, some people think Tebow got too much of the credit. He engineered some great comebacks, but in 6 of his 11 starts, the Broncos scored less than 20 points. The Broncos scored more ppg in the games that Orton started than they did in the games that Tebow started. Tebow did a good job of not turning the ball over, but was also helped by the fact that the Broncos defense, which was injury riddled early, played better as the season wore on. Tebow had some great moments, but was wildly inconsistent. I think his admirers tend to overrate him, and his detractors tend to underrate him.

[pbmax]

Tebow is respected and popular DUE TO his success on the field. And he earned the attention, and scrutiny, in the NCAA's toughest conference by winning two national championships and setting 5 NCAA, 14 Southeastern Conference, and 28 University of Florida statistical records.

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Passing Rushing
Season GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD INT Sack Att Yds TD
2006 14 201.7 33 22 66.7 358 5 1 0 89 469 8
2007 13 172.5 350 234 66.9 3,286 32 6 13 210 895 23
2008 14 172.4 298 192 64.4 2,747 30 4 15 176 673 12
2009 14 155.6 304 213 70.1 2,895 21 5 25 217 910 14
Totals 55 176.0 985 661 67.1 9,286 88 15 53 692 2947 57
.................................................. .................................................. ............................

If he had been a flop on the field in college then no one would have known or cared about him. Last season, his talent and that popularity got him a chance to play and he made the most of that opportunity. And then, his further success made him even more popular.

I don't get the revisionism. Last year happened. It's a fact. His team had success on the field with him as the starting QB and he made a ton of money for his club. Success is a distraction? Distraction from what, losing? His team finished 8-8 and made the playoffs. They did not finish 1-15.

People need to examine why they have a logical disconnect between the Broncos success last season and crediting Tebow as a football player. It's obvious that a lot of it stems from their dislike of Tebow as an outspoken Christian athlete and their rejection of beliefs that he holds precious. If he was a Madden character with no personality and silent about his faith then their reaction to him would be different. But he's not a video game figure or silent about faith and that elicits reponses ranging from outright bigotry to the subtle discrediting of him as a professional football player. Objective reality says that Tebow was successful last year. It's time to just accept that fact. He may fail from this point forward, but last year was a good year for Tebow as a second year pro football player.

That is a fair point, his successes have contributed significantly. If he was just a try hard guy, the coverage would look more like the annual campaign to name a non-Division 1 player the Heisman Trophy winner.

However, he both reaches a demo that does not regularly watch Denver Bronco football and he is celebrated far wider than other young successful college QBs. Cam Newton hasn't pulled the state of Alabama (or Mississippi) into watching the Panthers, Tebow has that impact and I think Newton outplayed him. When the hue and cry for Tebow starting in Week 4-5, Tebow was a completely unknown, awkward NFL QB commodity. The Broncos are used to pressure over the QB position (Elway to Griese to Plummer to Cutler to Orton), they got for more pressure than is typical.

None of this group has carried around their own fan base like Tebow 2 years out of college: John Elway (better early pro), Dan Marino (insanely better pro), Peyton Manning (4 better college years, no Championship), Vinny Testaverde, Matt Leinart, Colt McCoy, Doug Flutie (might be the closest), Steve Young, McMahon, Ty Detmer, Tommie Frazier, Troy Aikman or Vince Young. All had comparable successes. Some were better than Tebow. Only Flutie seemed to carry the goodwill of college in the pros for a significant period of time. Perhaps Jim Kelly had some of this, though he was like a carrot dangling from a stick while he was in the USFL taunting the Bills fans, rather than riding on his Miami rep.

[Guiness]

I didn't quite follow the bouncing ball with the $5million that was changing hands?

Initially, the Jets were going to pay the Broncos back the $5mil salary advance, but the NFL said no, so now they're paying half of it? Is that right?

I thought money changing hands during player trades was strictly against the rules?

[Rutnstrut]

No I think he means that Ted Thompson for whatever reason didn't make a decent or even marginally close to market value offer to Scott Wells. Scott Wells did all he could for the Green Bay Packers.

He was respected by linemates. Respected and ranked number one on the Packer OL by his own HC, Mike McCarthy.Mike McCarthy couldn't even imagine Scott Wells being unsatisfied in Green Bay.

Why? would he? Scott Wells was an every day come to work and get it done player and a Pro Bowl Center.

Mike McCarthy was surprized that Scott Wels might go elsewhere..but.... if the market afforded him and his Family more money and he said clearly the Scott Wells was certainly entitled and justified in making his best deal or leave Green bay to do that.

This spin that Scott Wells 'had a chip on his shoulder is washed out trumped up irrelevant spin to make TT look good or absolved of any mismanagement of the Scott Wells departure. That is for certain and a nice try but a NO.

Was TT talking to MM at that time RE: Scott Wells? From MM's reaction that Wells might actually depart Green bay does that seem so to you Patler?

HC = left hand...GM = right hand

Was the right hand talking to the left hand RE: anything Scott Wells?

Did Ted thompson care?

It surely seems to me that Scott Wells teammate (Lang cared). It sure seems to me that MM cared.

What on earth do you not agree with in my analysis Patler. Let's pin this down please.

Great, informative post as usual, your changing my opinion of Canadians

[Rutnstrut]

I'm going to put a line around you. Your neck. And pull it tight until you go down.

Would you like my address, I think that constitutes a threat. I would love to be the first to put Wisconsin's Castle Doctrine to use. Would you prefer I use a .40, .45, or my favorite a mix of double ought buckshot and slugs?

[Kiwon]

I think his admirers tend to overrate him, and his detractors tend to underrate him.

I agree, but most of the exaggerations and distortions come from his detractors that cannot emotionally separate Tebow the football player from Tebow the Christian athlete. They're bigoted and lose their ability to be objective.

For example, this idiot sportswriter in NYC that says the signing of Tebow threatens women's access to contraception and threatens to turn back the clock on LGBT people 30-40 years? It's lunacy.