Tebow

[Kiwon]

That is a fair point, his successes have contributed significantly. If he was just a try hard guy, the coverage would look more like the annual campaign to name a non-Division 1 player the Heisman Trophy winner.

However, he both reaches a demo that does not regularly watch Denver Bronco football and he is celebrated far wider than other young successful college QBs. Cam Newton hasn't pulled the state of Alabama (or Mississippi) into watching the Panthers, Tebow has that impact and I think Newton outplayed him. When the hue and cry for Tebow starting in Week 4-5, Tebow was a completely unknown, awkward NFL QB commodity. The Broncos are used to pressure over the QB position (Elway to Griese to Plummer to Cutler to Orton), they got for more pressure than is typical.

None of this group has carried around their own fan base like Tebow 2 years out of college: John Elway (better early pro), Dan Marino (insanely better pro), Peyton Manning (4 better college years, no Championship), Vinny Testaverde, Matt Leinart, Colt McCoy, Doug Flutie (might be the closest), Steve Young, McMahon, Ty Detmer, Tommie Frazier, Troy Aikman or Vince Young. All had comparable successes. Some were better than Tebow. Only Flutie seemed to carry the goodwill of college in the pros for a significant period of time. Perhaps Jim Kelly had some of this, though he was like a carrot dangling from a stick while he was in the USFL taunting the Bills fans, rather than riding on his Miami rep.

How is Tim Tebow responsible for the reactions of other people? He's a 24-year old man trying to play a game at the next level (with decidely mixed results, btw).

He's not a Svengali or a Hitler with a media spin machine manipulating minds. Fans are responsible for themselves and fickle as anything (c.f. Packer Rats - "Brett Farve" and "Fire Ted Thompson" threads).

[Zool]

I agree, but most of the exaggerations and distortions come from his detractors that cannot emotionally separate Tebow the football player from Tebow the Christian athlete. They're bigoted and lose their ability to be objective.

Could not the inverse be said as well?

[pbmax]

How is Tim Tebow responsible for the reactions of other people? He's a 24-year old man trying to play a game at the next level (with decidely mixed results, btw).

He's not a Svengali or a Hitler with a media spin machine manipulating minds. Fans are responsible for themselves and fickle as anything (c.f. Packer Rats - "Brett Farve" and "Fire Ted Thompson" threads).

I said he is not directly responsible. My post questioned why the Jets would bring this on themselves when there are already serious questions about their current starter. It gives them another QB needing development and the vast majority of snaps. A time share arrangement will hold both back.

Signing Tebow is not like signing a vet for backup. He needs work and development even if you are going to run the spread. And it looks like the Jets will only do that part time.

That is poor roster management unless you are convinced one will win out (its possible they are, but the contract extension and then subsequent signing argue otherwise). Then you get to add increased visibility, scrutiny and pressure. Its seems seriously counterproductive.

[pbmax]

I agree, but most of the exaggerations and distortions come from his detractors that cannot emotionally separate Tebow the football player from Tebow the Christian athlete. They're bigoted and lose their ability to be objective.

For example, this idiot sportswriter in NYC that says the signing of Tebow threatens women's access to contraception and threatens to turn back the clock on LGBT people 30-40 years? It's lunacy.

There have been plenty of Christian athletes and many very public in their faith on and off the field. Many of them have been adored. The Packers have had several very visible ones. There is a dimension here that is different with Tebow.

Where is the article that maintained Tebow affects access to contraception?

[sharpe1027]

Tebow is not as innocent as Kiwon seems to be advocating. Among other things, was his advertisement with his mom with the tagline "Celebrate Family - Celebrate Life." It overtly refers to his mom's decision not to have an abortion and their views on the subject.

To argue that Tebow bears no responsibility for things he publicly advocates is disingenuous.

[mraynrand]

To argue that Tebow bears no responsibility for things he publicly advocates is disingenuous.

When you find someone who makes this argument, you will be ready for them.

[sharpe1027]

When you find someone who makes this argument, you will be ready for them.

Smart ass. Maybe I am missing the point of the discussion but this was what I read:

he is celebrated far wider than other young successful college QBs.

How is Tim Tebow responsible for the reactions of other people?

Insert my response here, with the minor jump in logic being that what he advocates relates, at least in part, to why he is being "celebrated far wider than other young successful college QBs."

[mraynrand]

Smart ass. Maybe I am missing the point of the discussion but this was what I read:





Insert my response here, with the minor jump in logic being that what he advocates relates, at least in part, to why he is being "celebrated far wider than other young successful college QBs."

fair enough

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/special-10-pack-the-tebow-trade/

Special 10-pack: The Tebow trade

Posted by Mike Florio on March 22, 2012, 1:18 AM EDT

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/report-jets-promised-drew-stanton-they-wouldnt-add-another-qb/

Report: Jets promised Drew Stanton they wouldn’t add another QB

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 22, 2012, 6:16 AM EDT

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/report-drew-stanton-wants-out-of-new-york/

Report: Drew Stanton wants out of New York

Posted by Mike Florio on March 22, 2012, 10:56 AM EDT

[woodbuck27]

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bfDHA?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

NFL Network
Sapp, Porter show little support for a Tebow trade


By NFL.com Staff |

Published: March 19th, 2012 | Tags: Tim Tebow, Denver Broncos, Joey Porter, Warren Sapp

Warren Sapp Blasts Tebow

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/19/little-support-for-...

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/mike-tannenbaum-offers-more-about-tim-tebows-role-with-jets/

Mike Tannenbaum offers more about Tim Tebow’s role with Jets

Posted by Josh Alper on March 22, 2012, 12:11 PM EDT

[Kiwon]

I agree, but most of the exaggerations and distortions come from his detractors that cannot emotionally separate Tebow the football player from Tebow the Christian athlete. They're bigoted and lose their ability to be objective.

Could not the inverse be said as well?

Yes, it could be said.......without any legitimate evidence to prove the point.

[Fosco33]

My only problems with Tebow are the fan base that thinks he's a miracle worker or amazed he had some minor success. He's a Heisman athlete, champion, D1 QB drafted in the 1st round. The commercial with his mom, in my opinion, was unnecessary. And the organization is openly anti-gay and anti-choice. THAT makes his support of that org divisive.

Anyone else with those credentials would be EXPECTED to win (and play lights out).

He is a below average passer and presents defenses' challenges with his scrambling and ability to run. Have to give him credit for leadership and will to win.

I just don't get the aw shucks movement. Dude was a 1st rd pick that got dumped for the essentially a 4th round pick.

Now he'll be a backup and a likely distraction for a huge media market.

Hilarious