Tebow

[sharpe1027]

Yes, it could be said.......without any legitimate evidence to prove the point.

I saw no evidence to support your original point about your supposed knowledge of all tebow detractors. Why the double standard?

[Kiwon]

I said he is not directly responsible. My post questioned why the Jets would bring this on themselves when there are already serious questions about their current starter. It gives them another QB needing development and the vast majority of snaps. A time share arrangement will hold both back.

Signing Tebow is not like signing a vet for backup. He needs work and development even if you are going to run the spread. And it looks like the Jets will only do that part time.

That is poor roster management unless you are convinced one will win out (its possible they are, but the contract extension and then subsequent signing argue otherwise). Then you get to add increased visibility, scrutiny and pressure. Its seems seriously counterproductive.

"This" is a human being and I guess they signed Tebow because Burnell is 150 years old. Tebow will be a backup. I don't think there's any question about it, unless the Jets want to try TT at FB or TE.

I think Tebow could help the locker room and maybe push Sanchez to improve, but who's knows? It's the Jets.

I don't care a wit about the Jets, Sexy Rexy "Toe Sucker" Ryan, or their dysfunctional band of overpaid brothers. If Tebow can thrive in that environment, with a NY media that will be gunning for him, he really is a great man.

I would, however, like to see him "coached up" for a couple of years and then observe him as a starter. It would be fascinating to know if his innate athleticism could be shaped to the point where he fits the NFL's working defintion of a starting QB. That definition is changing quickly, though, with the addition of the likes of Cam Newton and RG3.

[Kiwon]

I saw no evidence to support your original point about your supposed knowledge of all tebow detractors. Why the double standard?

Okay, here's your proof of how irrational religious bigotry clouds one's ability to reason and casually misrepresent the truth:

Tebow is not as innocent as Kiwon seems to be advocating. Among other things, was his advertisement with his mom with the tagline "Celebrate Family - Celebrate Life." It overtly refers to his mom's decision not to have an abortion and their views on the subject.

To argue that Tebow bears no responsibility for things he publicly advocates is disingenuous.

[SnakeLH2006]

Well Tebow and Arod in GB would have given us the top 2 jersey sellers...now we have to settle for just #1...Goddammit!

[Kiwon]

Well Tebow and Arod in GB would have given us the top 2 jersey sellers...now we have to settle for just #1...Goddammit!

Yeah, that's right. GB would have become "America's Team" for sure. Tebow would be fine as a #2 or #3 and MM would have been creative and flexible enough to install some plays for him. Tebow would enjoy Green Bay, learn from the best QB in football and the Packers would profit from having him.

But his rookie contract became more substantial due to hitting performance escalators and rather pricey for a backup. Like a lot of people, I am puzzled that the Jets wanted him that badly. I wonder if the Jets might not have a plan to use him again in another trade. Who knows?

[SnakeLH2006]

Yeah, that's right. GB would have become "America's Team" for sure. Tebow would be fine as a #2 or #3 and MM would have been creative and flexible enough to install some plays for him. Tebow would enjoy Green Bay, learn from the best QB in football and the Packers would profit from having him.

But his rookie contract became more substantial due to hitting performance escalators and rather pricey for a backup. Like a lot of people, I am puzzled that the Jets wanted him that badly. I wonder if the Jets might not have a plan to use him again in another trade. Who knows?

Naw...Tebow would be AROD insurance...Jets r retarded giving CrapChize the extension...His own teammates think he's an emo bitch.

[sharpe1027]

Okay, here's your proof of how irrational religious bigotry clouds one's ability to reason and casually misrepresent the truth:

What I posted about that ad came directly from several articles on the subject. I guess that makes me bigoted and emotional in your book.

Even if we assume that I'm "bigoted" and can't "emotionally separate" that doesn't even come close to proving that most of his detractors are the same.

Your posting style is abrasive and often seeks to degrade and belittle ("bigoted") those that don't agree with your position. You dismissed another poster's point by saying there's no proof when you can't possible prove your counterpoint without having first conducted a nationwide poll.

Don't call me a bigot you jackass. You don't know what I believe on the subject.

[Fritz]

Calm down, people. Let's get this thread back on track:

Would you do Tebow's mom?

[hoosier]

Would you do Tebow's mom?

Even if you ignore the Nancy Reagan smile, that is just way too much makeup.

[Pugger]

"This" is a human being and I guess they signed Tebow because Burnell is 150 years old. Tebow will be a backup. I don't think there's any question about it, unless the Jets want to try TT at FB or TE.

I think Tebow could help the locker room and maybe push Sanchez to improve, but who's knows? It's the Jets.

I don't care a wit about the Jets, Sexy Rexy "Toe Sucker" Ryan, or their dysfunctional band of overpaid brothers. If Tebow can thrive in that environment, with a NY media that will be gunning for him, he really is a great man.

I would, however, like to see him "coached up" for a couple of years and then observe him as a starter. It would be fascinating to know if his innate athleticism could be shaped to the point where he fits the NFL's working defintion of a starting QB. That definition is changing quickly, though, with the addition of the likes of Cam Newton and RG3.

Unfortunately for Tebow he is a young man who desperately needs decent QB coaching and I seriously doubt he'll get it in NY.

[Pugger]

What I posted about that ad came directly from several articles on the subject. I guess that makes me bigoted and emotional in your book.

Even if we assume that I'm "bigoted" and can't "emotionally separate" that doesn't even come close to proving that most of his detractors are the same.

Your posting style is abrasive and often seeks to degrade and belittle ("bigoted") those that don't agree with your position. You dismissed another poster's point by saying there's no proof when you can't possible prove your counterpoint without having first conducted a nationwide poll.

Don't call me a bigot you jackass. You don't know what I believe on the subject.

I just don't get why folks get all excited about him and his religion. What in the hell does his religion have to do with how he plays football? He does get a lot of attention for a kid that isn't a good QB, probably because of his success in college. He does find a way to pull games out of his ass, I'll give him that. Otherwise I don't give a rip and I almost feel sorry for him. NY is gonna eat him up alive.

[pbmax]

"This" is a human being and I guess they signed Tebow because Burnell is 150 years old. Tebow will be a backup. I don't think there's any question about it, unless the Jets want to try TT at FB or TE.

I think Tebow could help the locker room and maybe push Sanchez to improve, but who's knows? It's the Jets.

I don't care a wit about the Jets, Sexy Rexy "Toe Sucker" Ryan, or their dysfunctional band of overpaid brothers. If Tebow can thrive in that environment, with a NY media that will be gunning for him, he really is a great man.

I would, however, like to see him "coached up" for a couple of years and then observe him as a starter. It would be fascinating to know if his innate athleticism could be shaped to the point where he fits the NFL's working defintion of a starting QB. That definition is changing quickly, though, with the addition of the likes of Cam Newton and RG3.

"This" is a predictable media circus. Denver's front office and coaching staff were besieged into starting him at 1-4. There is simply a disconnect between this kind of fan reaction and a team that hired a broken down veteran QB at an astronomical price to allow them to escape having him as their starter. The Denver staff thought so much of his chances in 2011 that he was the 3rd string QB. It was a horrible situation for him and it is to his enormous credit he made hay in the middle of this tornado. But so persuaded by that playoff caliber performance were the Broncos that they bought a Manning lottery ticket.

There is no question Denver wanted no part of him as Fox and Elway did not sign up for a franchise running that offense. Once McDaniels was gone, Tebow's biggest supporter was out of the picture. McDaniels and Tebow may yet have the last laugh as no one knows whether Elway knows what he is doing and Fox's best years are well behind him. Denver's GM is far from proven as well.

On to the Jets: now we seem to be having an argument about next to nothing. Tebow wasn't hired just to be a backup. He will be their wildcat QB and 3rd down option if early stories out of the Jets are true. A backup would need to run the same offense as the starter, Tebow will have his own package. They should keep a third guy to backup Sanchez, but it would need to be a short term deal as Tebow's contract escalates in 13 and 14. The Jets offense looks like the Steelers with Slash Stewart (with Miller and Tomczak) before he took over as starter. Its a mess for a developing QB.

Just think about how you divide practice time between the two and you can imagine the trouble they will have.

The locker room issue is another argument for the Jet's dysfunction. The last guy who called out the team about that problem was summarily dismissed as a problem himself after the team claimed he exaggerated. Then Ryan confessed he was the problem. Now they are admitting there is a problem in the locker room. Which is it and does anyone have any confidence the Jets are in any position to solve it?

There was a report Tebow was offered a choice, but that doesn't mesh with objections the two destination spots had with accepting his contract payback to the Broncos. If the Broncos wanted to do Tebow a favor, he would either have gone to a team that wanted to run an spread offense for him or send him to the Packers or Patriots or Saints where he would have gotten world class instruction.

The Broncos were not willing to commit to Tebow. And the Jets might well be unable to. Tebow's advisors should have made a public stink and forced the Broncos hand about trading him somewhere more favorable.

[sharpe1027]

I just don't get why folks get all excited about him and his religion. What in the hell does his religion have to do with how he plays football? He does get a lot of attention for a kid that isn't a good QB, probably because of his success in college. He does find a way to pull games out of his ass, I'll give him that. Otherwise I don't give a rip and I almost feel sorry for him. NY is gonna eat him up alive.

His faith doesn't have much of anything to do with his play on the field, or it has a lot to do with his play. It depends on your personal views. There have been comments on how his faith seems extend his fan base to people that do not normally follow football very close, which is not all his fault, but he does make a conscious choice to be more vocal/demonstrative about his faith than many other athletes.

The Jets already had a QB controversy on a team that was showing signs of fracturing. Now they don't have a clear path forward and have the look of a runaway train. Hmm, perhaps they are going the -- wrong way on a one-way track -- seems like they should be getting somewhere... That song will be in my head all weekend now.

[Pugger]

"This" is a predictable media circus. Denver's front office and coaching staff were besieged into starting him at 1-4. There is simply a disconnect between this kind of fan reaction and a team that hired a broken down veteran QB at an astronomical price to allow them to escape having him as their starter. The Denver staff thought so much of his chances in 2011 that he was the 3rd string QB. It was a horrible situation for him and it is to his enormous credit he made hay in the middle of this tornado. But so persuaded by that playoff caliber performance were the Broncos that they bought a Manning lottery ticket.

There is no question Denver wanted no part of him as Fox and Elway did not sign up for a franchise running that offense. Once McDaniels was gone, Tebow's biggest supporter was out of the picture. McDaniels and Tebow may yet have the last laugh as no one knows whether Elway knows what he is doing and Fox's best years are well behind him. Denver's GM is far from proven as well.

On to the Jets: now we seem to be having an argument about next to nothing. Tebow wasn't hired just to be a backup. He will be their wildcat QB and 3rd down option if early stories out of the Jets are true. A backup would need to run the same offense as the starter, Tebow will have his own package. They should keep a third guy to backup Sanchez, but it would need to be a short term deal as Tebow's contract escalates in 13 and 14. The Jets offense looks like the Steelers with Slash Stewart (with Miller and Tomczak) before he took over as starter. Its a mess for a developing QB.

Just think about how you divide practice time between the two and you can imagine the trouble they will have.

The locker room issue is another argument for the Jet's dysfunction. The last guy who called out the team about that problem was summarily dismissed as a problem himself after the team claimed he exaggerated. Then Ryan confessed he was the problem. Now they are admitting there is a problem in the locker room. Which is it and does anyone have any confidence the Jets are in any position to solve it?

There was a report Tebow was offered a choice, but that doesn't mesh with objections the two destination spots had with accepting his contract payback to the Broncos. If the Broncos wanted to do Tebow a favor, he would either have gone to a team that wanted to run an spread offense for him or send him to the Packers or Patriots or Saints where he would have gotten world class instruction.

The Broncos were not willing to commit to Tebow. And the Jets might well be unable to. Tebow's advisors should have made a public stink and forced the Broncos hand about trading him somewhere more favorable.

This is what could well end up being so sad about this entire affair. Like I said above, I feel sorry for Tebow (But not the Jets. That is one sorry franchise and I'll shed no tears when that bunch implodes.).

[pbmax]

Well, there are still legs on the report that Tebow picked the Jets. One report says he thinks Sanchez can be had and the starting spot be claimed.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/23/report-tebow-has-sights-set-on-starting-job/

If he can do that decisively, then many of the roster construction/offensive scheme issues can be eliminated.