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  • #61
    Originally posted by sharpe1027 View Post
    Here is where you go off the deep end a bit. The reporter had concrete evidence (several quotes from players and coaches) that players had stereotyped Jordy and were proven wrong. He wrote the facts based upon that. I'd rather have the truth out there than have my head in the sand pretending that this type of stereotyping doesn't exist.

    The article provides facts showing that this type of stereotyping exists while acknowledging that it was wrong in this case. While the reporter could have either not written the story at all (head in the sand) or ripped on Jennings, I still disagree with your conclusion that the reporter was "promoting racial stereotypes" by reporting facts that showed how a stereotype was wrong in this case.
    What's interesting is that this article or its content has been covered on ESPN, NFL.com, the NFL Network, Yahoo Sports, Rush Limbaugh, and The Drudge Report, among others. This topic touches on a lot of things that provokes thought and sparks debate.

    Sure stereotypes exist. Jordy says being White has helped him excel on the field. A-Rod has commented upon it as well. Jennings says in effect that Jordy plays like a naturally higher-skilled Black player ("A lot of it has to do with the fact that guys look at him say, "Okay, yeah, he's the white guy, he can't be that good." Well, he is that good. It's easy for someone to say, "Oh yeah, he's like one of those other white receivers.' 'He's not. I'm sorry. He's not").

    You say the stereotype is wrong "in this case" so does that mean you think that the stereotype that Blacks are more skilled as players is generally true? If so, a lot of people would agree with you. And, apparently, it's okay for us to talk about that on radio, television, and in print without any critical analysis. The journalists are just stenographers reporting what others are saying.

    My take is, I see a double standard and I will call it out.

    Yes, stereotypes exist, but should they exist, especially ones about race? Jordy being fast for a White guy is kind of lighthearted piece. But what about negative racial stereotypes? Should these be highlighted in the media without being challenged?

    Fact: 25% of Black males are in prison, awaiting trial, or on parole. So if I need a new accountant or manager for my up-scale restaurant, would I be correct to not even consider an application from a Black? Should I look at the applicant as an individual or categorize him according to a generally accepted stereotype?

    Same thing if I am a bank loan officer or head-hunter for a major company. This type of thinking has real-world implications. In this circumstance with Jennings' comments about Jordy Nelson, we laugh it off. But in another circumstance, if I applied Jennings' words and reasoning then I could be found guilty of a crime and might face fines and the loss of my job.

    I don't want the PC-crowd to tell me what to think or feel, but they do anyway, don't they? "Gender Studies, Black Studies, Ethnic Studies, Queer Studies" exist as majors at universities for what reason? To help the rest of us to get our minds right, correct?

    Well, I hope that when Jordy runs a post that he burns every Black DB that tries to cover him. I hope he becomes the fastest receiver in the NFL and sets a TD record. He is breaking a racial stereotype held by a lot of folks. But, at the same time, his success doesn't alter the question about if that stereotype based upon race should even exist in the first place?

    If it's okay in Sports to operate that way then in what other areas of society can the same standards be applied? If that is “going off the deep end” then I guess I swim in the deep end of the pool.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by MadtownPacker View Post
      Anyone offended by this is full of shit. That is how the world is and if you say no it is just because you are PCed up and feel the need to lie to yourself.
      "Would you step out of the car, sir, with your license and registration? Keep your hands where I can see them. What are you doing in this part of town?"

      (Madtown likely answer, "I was banging your wife." )

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      • #63
        Kiwon, there is a world of difference between a stereotype (most black males are criminals, white WRs are not talented enough) and refusing to look at a racial group for hiring.

        Are you suggesting that NFL teams refuse to draft, develop or sign white WRs like someone might refuse to hire a black accountant?
        Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Kiwon View Post
          You say the stereotype is wrong "in this case" so does that mean you think that the stereotype that Blacks are more skilled as players is generally true? If so, a lot of people would agree with you.
          If by "generally true" you mean are there more black WRs in the NFL? Then yes, the stereotype is true. If by "generally true," you mean that you can determine whether any individual WR is good based upon whether they are black or white, then no, the stereotype fails. That's what a stereotype is and that's why the article does a good job of showing why they should not be relied upon.

          Originally posted by Kiwon View Post
          And, apparently, it's okay for us to talk about that on radio, television, and in print without any critical analysis. The journalists are just stenographers reporting what others are saying.
          Sometimes it is fine, yes. Every article does not needs to cover every single conceivable issue and be concerned about every john doe that gets a bug up their ass about their personal pet peeve.


          Originally posted by Kiwon View Post
          Yes, stereotypes exist, but should they exist, especially ones about race?
          Maybe not. So what?

          Originally posted by Kiwon View Post
          Jordy being fast for a White guy is kind of lighthearted piece. But what about negative racial stereotypes? Should these be highlighted in the media without being challenged?
          "Highlighted?" I would love that rather than putting your head in the sand and pretending we can make a utopian society.

          Originally posted by Kiwon View Post
          Fact: 25% of Black males are in prison, awaiting trial, or on parole. So if I need a new accountant or manager for my up-scale restaurant, would I be correct to not even consider an application from a Black? Should I look at the applicant as an individual or categorize him according to a generally accepted stereotype?

          Same thing if I am a bank loan officer or head-hunter for a major company. This type of thinking has real-world implications.
          No.

          Originally posted by Kiwon View Post
          In this circumstance with Jennings' comments about Jordy Nelson, we laugh it off. But in another circumstance, if I applied Jennings' words and reasoning then I could be found guilty of a crime and might face fines and the loss of my job.
          It is not another circumstance.

          Originally posted by Kiwon View Post
          I don't want the PC-crowd to tell me what to think or feel, but they do anyway, don't they? "Gender Studies, Black Studies, Ethnic Studies, Queer Studies" exist as majors at universities for what reason? To help the rest of us to get our minds right, correct?

          Well, I hope that when Jordy runs a post that he burns every Black DB that tries to cover him. I hope he becomes the fastest receiver in the NFL and sets a TD record. He is breaking a racial stereotype held by a lot of folks. But, at the same time, his success doesn't alter the question about if that stereotype based upon race should even exist in the first place?

          If it's okay in Sports to operate that way then in what other areas of society can the same standards be applied? If that is “going off the deep end” then I guess I swim in the deep end of the pool.
          Apples and Oranges.

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            • #67
              I like it.

              It looks now like Packers general manager Ted Thompson got a steal when in early October he signed Nelson to a contract extension through the 2014 season that will pay him $13.35 million.

              When asked on Sunday whether he wish he would have waited to do his deal, Nelson said simply: “Nope.”
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #68
                Nelson is a hell of a player. He has the same yards and more TDs than Jennings so far this year. He's been our #1 weapon the last month or so and really, depending on if you like 20 yards or 2 TD's more (Nelson has 2 TDs more, Jennings has 20 yards) you could say he's our #1 WR in production.

                And oddly, every year for how many years, the #1 WR (Sharpe, Brooks for a short time, Freeman, Driver, Jennings) the guy who's been the best player has had the best year. Maybe Nelson is benefiting from a lot of single coverage, but he's earning his status as top 10 WR.

                In the best offenses, there is a premium put on chemistry. Look at Welker and Gronkowski. Neither more physically talented than Finley or James Jones. Both stars because they understand defenses and are on the same page with a great QB.
                Last edited by RashanGary; 11-21-2011, 12:50 AM.
                Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                • #69
                  That was another great game by Jordy on Sunday. Stereotype him anyway you want. The guy can play. He'd be a #1 on about any other team and his new 3-year / $13 million contract is looking better and better. Barring injury, he and A-Rod should be responsible for 40+ touchdowns. Good guy, good signing. Go Pack!

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                  • #70
                    Nelson is our #3 in name only.

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                    • #71
                      Originally posted by Pugger View Post
                      Nelson is our #3 in name only.
                      jennings called him the #2.

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                      • #72
                        On MNF when they showed pictures of the "starters" DD was shown as the other starter opposite Jennings.

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                        • #73
                          Originally posted by gbgary View Post
                          jennings called him the #2.
                          Jennings also called Driver our #1 after the Super Bowl.
                          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                          • #74
                            Jordy Nelson is having a hell of a season don't get me wrong but top 10 reciever in the league? Come on man, dude might be the #1 reciever on 2-3 teams in the league.

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                            • #75
                              Jordy is 15th in total yards, 20th in yards per game, 44th in total receptions and 3rd in total TDs. A good year so far, but I agree he's not a top ten WR by any stretch of the imagination.

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