Week 11 other games thread

[pbmax]

Vince Young is just a game changer.

[Guiness]

Vince Young is just a game changer.

Oh shut up. You're just baiting him now!

So much for the 'Eli the Great' talk. He strung together a few good games, and the national press was all over him as the second coming of Peyton. Not hardly.

[hoosier]

Does anyone here understand why the taunting penalty against Desean Jackson was assessed as part of the play (offsetting a penalty committed by the Giants) instead of after the play? He makes the catch, goes out of bounds, the play's over, he flips the ball at the Giants DC and starts taunting the bench. Why isn't that a completed pass (the Eagles decline the defensive penalty) and 15 yards assessed against Philly after the ball is respotted?

[pbmax]

From PFT: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...day-10-pack-2/

6. Sorting out the offsetting penalties in Eagles-Giants.

The PFT email box and Twitter pipeline exploded on Sunday night, after a penalty for illegal use of hands against the Giants during a 50-yard pass to Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson and a post-play taunting penalty on Jackson completely wiped out the gain and gave Philly an unwanted do-over from their own two yard line.

The prevailing thought was that Eagles should have been able to decline the penalty against the Giants, and then to have the 15 yards walked off after the play, giving Philly a 35-yard gain.

But the outcome reflected the proper application of a strange donut hole in the rule book.

The process gets started at Rule 14, Section 1, Article 9: “If there has been a foul by either team during a down and there is a dead ball foul by the other team in the action immediately after the end of the down, it is a double foul, and all rules for enforcement of double fouls apply (see 14-3-1).”

Regarding double fouls, Article 14, Section 3, Rule 1 provides as follows: “If there is a double foul . . . without a change of possession, the penalties are offset and the down is replayed at the previous spot.”

In this case, a key exception almost applied, but ultimately didn’t. “If one of the fouls is of a nature that incurs a 15-yard penalty and the other foul of a double foul normally would result in a loss of 5 yards only (15 yards versus 5 yards),” the rule book states, “the major penalty yardage is to be assessed from the previous spot.” Since the penalty on the Giants entailed a five-yard penalty AND an automatic first down, the exception didn’t apply in Jackson’s case. Even if it had (for example, if the Giants had simply been offside), the Eagles would have had the 15 yards walked off (or, in this case, half the distance to the goal) from the previous spot.

Either way, the penalty on the Giants ultimately penalized the Eagles. Though the officials sorted it all out properly in real time, the rule book definitely needs to be tweaked to prevent such unfair outcomes.

[hoosier]

Thanks. Yeah, I was so befuddled by the action/post-action situation that it didn't even occur to me that Philly would have made out better had the Giants not been penalized at all!