What does Suh get?

[pbmax]

He has 3 days to decide appeal and then it can take 10 days to get a hearing. Glazer thinks the hearing will be expedited. But which would the Lions prefer he miss: @Saints and Vikes or Vikes and @Oak?

I would bet he files for an appeal on Friday to help ensure he plays versus the Saints.

And this assumes the penalty is not reduced. PFT notes that unlike the Personal Conduct Policy, the appeal is heard by reps hired and paid for by the players and the league. They have changed penalties before.

[mmmdk]

I think Suh has not and will not learn from this suspension; there will be a "next time" for Suh and the hammer will fall even harder. What a selfinflicted Lions mess...yet gets no sympathy from me.

[Harlan Huckleby]

2 games is light

[mmmdk]

2 games is light

Yeah but had it been a dame Suh stepped on it's a different story...and probably not during a football game.

[sharpe1027]

Haynseworth was suspended 5 games for stomping on a player's unprotected face. I believe that was the longest suspension ever for an on-the-field act. IMO, two days for slamming a guy's head into the ground and stomping on his arm is in the ball park.

As a comparison to the Loins non-reaction, Fischer said from the beginning that the team would punish Haynseworth themselves if the NFL punishment was not enough.

[Brandon494]

2 games is not light, he doesn't get paid for those games. That's pretty much a million dollar fine for stomping on a player's arm, how the hell is that light? Any other player besides James Harrison it would have only been one game.

[pbmax]

If Haynesworth pulling off a helmet and stomping on a players face is worth a five game suspension, how much could this have been?

Goodell claims that he is defending the shield are mitigated by the fact that he has lackluster support from coaches so far in trying to re-engineer how defenses are hitting (and in other rules changes). He has far wider latitude for the off the field stuff. And as much as Suh's act was outside the bounds of football, its still an in game act.

Its readily apparent his message is being received only by a subset of players (like Danny Woodhead in the Pats-Eagles game) and some are actively resisting. Roger might have been better off conceding some ground on Personal Conduct appeals to get better buy-in and more leverage for the in game enforcement. As it stands now, he will simply need to move to more suspensions and entire game checks. And the suspensions hurt the on the field product. And the entire thing puts negative headlines on the internet.

[Zool]

2 games is not light, he doesn't get paid for those games. That's pretty much a million dollar fine for stomping on a player's arm, how the hell is that light? Any other player besides James Harrison it would have only been one game.

Suh does not make $8mil/season in salary.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/72...ns-sources-say

"Suh makes $82,000 per game. If he's suspended two games, he would lose $164,000 in salary."

[mraynrand]

If Haynesworth pulling off a helmet and stomping on a players face is worth a five game suspension, how much could this have been?

Goodell claims that he is defending the shield are mitigated by the fact that he has lackluster support from coaches so far in trying to re-engineer how defenses are hitting (and in other rules changes). He has far wider latitude for the off the field stuff. And as much as Suh's act was outside the bounds of football, its still an in game act.

Its readily apparent his message is being received only by a subset of players (like Danny Woodhead in the Pats-Eagles game) and some are actively resisting. Roger might have been better off conceding some ground on Personal Conduct appeals to get better buy-in and more leverage for the in game enforcement. As it stands now, he will simply need to move to more suspensions and entire game checks. And the suspensions hurt the on the field product. And the entire thing puts negative headlines on the internet.

So are you saying three/four head slams and an intentional stomp are not worth two games? What are they worth? A 50K fine? Just asking - put your number on it.

Refs are outlawing the hard hitting. That's just a fact. There was a perfectly legal shot taken on a receiver who just caught a pass last night, breaking up the completion; separating receiver from ball. because the receiver was 'defenseless' the defender can no longer hit this hard, without being penalized. That's just a fact. I don't understand how reducing the fine for things like what Suh did will help coaches stomach backing off on hard-hitting football. If they allow more stuff after the whistle, how can they have credibility for reducing hard hits before the whistle? As far as personal conduct stuff completely of the field, that seems to me to be even more separated, and I wouldn't trade more severe 'enforcement' there for reduced fines on the field.


edit: I should have written it used to be a perfectly legal hit

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think Suh should have gotten 3 games because of his pattern of ignorance, and the shitty way he and his coach responded. I can live with 2 games.

Robison should have sat for 1 game because of the potential for injury.

[Brandon494]

Suh does not make $8mil/season in salary.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/72...ns-sources-say

"Suh makes $82,000 per game. If he's suspended two games, he would lose $164,000 in salary."

I stand corrected, I thought top picks made more than that.

[mraynrand]

I stand corrected, I thought top picks made more than that.

That's just another reason why Suh is a very angry man. I bet his Dad never took him fishing either.

[Smidgeon]

I stand corrected, I thought top picks made more than that.

He bagged $40 million as a signing bonus. So he won't lose much from the games and is still making bank.

[Smidgeon]

2 games is light

I agree. I think I would have been happier with 3. And if they reduce the suspension on appeal, then I think the system is broken.

[pbmax]

So are you saying three/four head slams and an intentional stomp are not worth two games? What are they worth? A 50K fine? Just asking - put your number on it.

Refs are outlawing the hard hitting. That's just a fact. There was a perfectly legal shot taken on a receiver who just caught a pass last night, breaking up the completion; separating receiver from ball. because the receiver was 'defenseless' the defender can no longer hit this hard, without being penalized. That's just a fact. I don't understand how reducing the fine for things like what Suh did will help coaches stomach backing off on hard-hitting football. If they allow more stuff after the whistle, how can they have credibility for reducing hard hits before the whistle? As far as personal conduct stuff completely of the field, that seems to me to be even more separated, and I wouldn't trade more severe 'enforcement' there for reduced fines on the field.


edit: I should have written it used to be a perfectly legal hit

No, I agree with the 2 games. I am saying Goodell is boxed in by his previous action against Haynesworth and the current resistance to the other League Office dictates about illegal hits, etc. Haynesworth's action was vastly worse and by comparison, Goodell could not offer much more than a 3 game suspension and defend it. I thought he would get 1 game plus time served in the Packer game. The 2 game suspension is an improvement on that option.

I am not claiming that the refs won't call the points of emphasis, though like everything else that has recently gone through the committee, they are calling much of it inconsistently. At least last night's WR hit at least shows that the refs can get the helmet to helmet stuff on receivers correct. The QB hits are still a mess along with catch/not a catch.

I am claiming that a significant portion of the league is currently ignoring the points of emphasis on hitting. And fines and suspensions (though there have been precious few suspensions for hits) aren't winning the battle. Suh's action is outside the scope of the new emphasis, but it illustrates how Goodell has handicapped himself. He can do more to out of game offenders than he can to in game offenders. Its completely backward. The fear of suspending players in a 16 game season is tying his hands.