The Moll train?!?

[MJZiggy]

Not when the warmth of a dome is involved. AV froze his ass off for years. I can blame him for screwing GB, but not for wanting a heated place to kick.

[Deputy Nutz]

I just watched all the interviews from yesterday's practice and EVERYONE said the exact same thing: they're just switching stuff around to see what works best. Don't expect any of it to be permanent.

I'd expect a little shuffling this week and then they'll settle into something depending on what we see when Atlanta comes to town.

That's what I thought initially, but all of the reports I've read sound like this came about because they want to take a legit look at Moll--not just get him some reps at another position. That tells me they are very concerned with Colledge.

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060815/PKR0205/608150461/1989

I think Colledge will be a good OL eventually. Maybe it was asking too much to assume he was ready to be a starter as a rookie.

Is it asking too much for us to assume Moll or Spitz are ready as rookies ?

Yes

Which is exactly why I'm so perplexed as to TT's lack of interest in quality OL in free agency. And I know there were no great ones besides a couple, but there was plenty of depth with more quality than we went into training camp with.

TT doesn't want to shell out money for an offensive guard. He has shown in it in the two years that he has been in Green Bay. You got 5 starting positions on that offensive line, and you can't give all of them 10 million plus in guarantees. It would have been nice to keep Wahle, it would have been nice to sign Hutchinson, but realistically, but realistically, but realistically, wait a minute, why the hell didn't we sign those fellas?

[Bretsky]

Perhaps TT was interested, but the players were not interested in coming to GB.

This is pure speculation, but IMO TT makes calls and the GM's often discuss figures with agents.

TT was very tight with his change early on and my gut tells me he was not willing to pay for any of the decent ones; money talks. I have a hard time believing we could not have signed a starter if we were offering the best contract. Sometimes it will take that to get a solid player to GB. Reality Bites.

CC claimed today that Green Bay offered more to Vinatieri than Indy did.

The reality is that money does not always talk, especially with players who have been smart with their money. Some know they are financially secure anyway and really do want a shot with a playoff contender. They will be paid well, regardless.

Most realize that GB is not a contender, and they are not just a player or two away. If they can be close to 8-8 with a young roster, then, maybe, they will again be attractive. For the time being, GB is probably a hard-sell.

I would argue that the K situation was unique. There were several OL that could have helped us. Adam V was the cream of the crop and knew it. He also know he had options from Super Bowl contenders and he knew he was going to get his payday where he wanted to play. Vandy was next and one could argue the same for him. Those are elite guys at their postions.

But TT could have and should have brought in some OL help, and I'm very confident if they threw the money at a few they could have succeeded.

Heck, look at the diamond those choking Viqueens brought in.

Now I'm not saying bring Hutch in at that wage, but for God sake Bring Help when help is Desperately Needed.

Or maybe TT just overvalued his ability to pick NFL ready draft picks ?


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[Bretsky]

I just watched all the interviews from yesterday's practice and EVERYONE said the exact same thing: they're just switching stuff around to see what works best. Don't expect any of it to be permanent.

I'd expect a little shuffling this week and then they'll settle into something depending on what we see when Atlanta comes to town.

That's what I thought initially, but all of the reports I've read sound like this came about because they want to take a legit look at Moll--not just get him some reps at another position. That tells me they are very concerned with Colledge.

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060815/PKR0205/608150461/1989

I think Colledge will be a good OL eventually. Maybe it was asking too much to assume he was ready to be a starter as a rookie.

Is it asking too much for us to assume Moll or Spitz are ready as rookies ?

Yes

Which is exactly why I'm so perplexed as to TT's lack of interest in quality OL in free agency. And I know there were no great ones besides a couple, but there was plenty of depth with more quality than we went into training camp with.

TT doesn't want to shell out money for an offensive guard. He has shown in it in the two years that he has been in Green Bay. You got 5 starting positions on that offensive line, and you can't give all of them 10 million plus in guarantees. It would have been nice to keep Wahle, it would have been nice to sign Hutchinson, but realistically, but realistically, but realistically, wait a minute, why the hell didn't we sign those fellas?

HERE IS A RADICAL THOUGHT, BUT ONE I HAVE.

GREEN BAY SHOULD HAVE SIGNED FLANAGAN.

HE WAS SERVICEABLE AS A C OR OG, AND HE WAS A GOOD LEADER AND GOOD PLAYER WHEN HEALTHY.

ALL OF THE POSTS ABOUT HIS DEMISE WERE OVERDONE.

JUST A REMINDER: WE'RE SITTING ON 7MIL NOW WITH SERIOUS WEAKNESSES.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Weren't you a proponent for letting Flanagan go?

Flanny is milktoast. Marco Rivera is just about milktoast in Dallas. He didn't play that well last year--despite the fact he got good pub. Wahle was the damaging one. For what the Packers asked of him, he was a top five OG in the league.

[Bretsky]

Weren't you a proponent for letting Flanagan go?

Flanny is milktoast. Marco Rivera is just about milktoast in Dallas. He didn't play that well last year--despite the fact he got good pub. Wahle was the damaging one. For what the Packers asked of him, he was a top five OG in the league.

I NEVER BLESSED LETTING FLANY GO; I THINK THE FORUM TALK ABOUT HIM BEING JELLO IS CRAP AND WHEN HEALTHY HE IS STILL ABOVE AVERAGE AT C AND AVERAGE AT OG AND WAY WAY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE AT OG. YES, HE WAS FINE AT GUARD WHEN PLUGGED IN THERE.

I BLESSED LETTING WAHLE (A MISTAKE IN RETROSPECT) AND MARCO GO, ALTHOUGH I DID FIGURE THEY'D KEEP ONE.

BUT IF YA LET THEM GO YOU HAVE TO FIND COMPETENT REPLACEMENTS. TT FAILED US THERE.

[Bretsky]

Weren't you a proponent for letting Flanagan go?

Flanny is milktoast. Marco Rivera is just about milktoast in Dallas. He didn't play that well last year--despite the fact he got good pub. Wahle was the damaging one. For what the Packers asked of him, he was a top five OG in the league.

CLIFF OUTSMARTED US ALL ON WAHLE.

FROM THE GET GO CRISTL SAID YOU DON'T LET A 26YR OLD STAR AT HIS POSITION GO FREELY INTO FA.

HE WAS RIGHT.

[HarveyWallbangers]

QUIT YELLING AT ME!

[Bretsky]

Sorry,

Your thread put me in a bad mood..............................cause........... .....
I agreed with the content.

[Patler]

I NEVER BLESSED LETTING FLANY GO; I THINK THE FORUM TALK ABOUT HIM BEING JELLO IS CRAP AND WHEN HEALTHY HE IS STILL ABOVE AVERAGE AT C AND AVERAGE AT OG AND WAY WAY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE AT OG. YES, HE WAS FINE AT GUARD WHEN PLUGGED IN THERE.

You got me on this one Bretsky, did Flanagan play guard in this century, or back in his real early years?

[Bretsky]

I NEVER BLESSED LETTING FLANY GO; I THINK THE FORUM TALK ABOUT HIM BEING JELLO IS CRAP AND WHEN HEALTHY HE IS STILL ABOVE AVERAGE AT C AND AVERAGE AT OG AND WAY WAY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE AT OG. YES, HE WAS FINE AT GUARD WHEN PLUGGED IN THERE.

You got me on this one Bretsky, did Flanagan play guard in this century, or back in his real early years?

Unless I'm losing my mind (certainly a possibility) he filled in at OG in earlier years. He also filled at OT; both injury related.

[MJZiggy]

I NEVER BLESSED LETTING FLANY GO; I THINK THE FORUM TALK ABOUT HIM BEING JELLO IS CRAP AND WHEN HEALTHY HE IS STILL ABOVE AVERAGE AT C AND AVERAGE AT OG AND WAY WAY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE AT OG. YES, HE WAS FINE AT GUARD WHEN PLUGGED IN THERE.

You got me on this one Bretsky, did Flanagan play guard in this century, or back in his real early years?

As TT put it in today's press conference, "back in the days of leather helmets..."

He's really been cuttin' it up in those conferences lately. Anyone who worries about his relationship with the media should really check them out.

[LEWCWA]

If Moll starts for Green Bay, we are all in trouble! As if alchohalism isn't already a big enough problem in Wisconsin!

[Patler]

Patler,

A large majority of the time... money talks.

I'm not sure I agree with that. For some, yes, but many of these guys are more wealthy than they ever dreamed they would be, and for some another $500,000 or $1,000,000 really doesn't make a difference.

Look at Andruzzi last year. Decided that if NE couldn't keep him, the only place he wanted to go was Cleveland. Didn't shop himself at all. Made one visit and signed with Cleveland immediately when the league allowed FA signings to start. Something like literally within hours.

Even Bentley this year didn't make a lot of visits. Openly admitted he wanted to go home to Cleveland after the fact. I know, he got huge money, but I have to wonder if he would have gone there anyway

When the Packers were legitimate contenders, it seemed every year there was an FA or two who signed for a low amount to have a chance at a ring. They don't get that now.

[Patler]

I NEVER BLESSED LETTING FLANY GO; I THINK THE FORUM TALK ABOUT HIM BEING JELLO IS CRAP AND WHEN HEALTHY HE IS STILL ABOVE AVERAGE AT C AND AVERAGE AT OG AND WAY WAY BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE AT OG. YES, HE WAS FINE AT GUARD WHEN PLUGGED IN THERE.

You got me on this one Bretsky, did Flanagan play guard in this century, or back in his real early years?

Unless I'm losing my mind (certainly a possibility) he filled in at OG in earlier years. He also filled at OT; both injury related.

The last I remember of Flanagan playing anywhere but center was when he filled in for Clifton after Clifton was injured. But the Packers even said last year that Flanagan was no longer an option at guard because of his knee problems.