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  • #46
    Looks like the Pellini method has other adherents. From today's JSO Lang article:



    Know this: T.J. Lang isn't a cookie-cutter offensive lineman. His technique isn't sculpted, his footwork isn't elegant. Lang is not necessarily a guard or a tackle. After converting from defense to offense at Eastern Michigan, his coach encouraged prison-rules abandon.

    Chris Symington told Lang he needed to be different. He needed to "hate" opponents.

    "He really took that on," said Symington, who now coaches at Colorado State-Pueblo. "He just didn't like people very much. . . . Once you walked on that field, he was trying to hurt you. He's too+ mean. He doesn't take (expletive) from anybody."

    After three years of this in the Mid-American Conference from 2005-'07, Lang became bored. Complacent. It drove Symington mad. Berating Lang wouldn't work. The two were beyond that. And it's not like Symington could bench his best player.

    So three games into Lang's final year in 2008 Symington tried to "stir his soul."

    In the dark, dreary, dusty basement of Eastern Michigan's basketball arena, the coach brought Lang into a classroom at 7:30 p.m. Symington put game film on, set down the remote and told Lang to pretend he's a scout.

    "Evaluate yourself and you let me know if you would draft you," Symington remembers telling Lang. "I'm going to leave and take however long it takes. You want to look at it for 5 minutes, you don't want to listen to me, you don't want to do (expletive), you want to walk out of here, that's fine.

    "However long it takes, you look at yourself and you ask yourself if you would draft you.'"

    Symington went home. Hours passed. The coach forgot Lang was still there when his cell phone lit up at 11 p.m. and Symington's wife wondered who on earth was texting her husband this late.

    No need to panic. It was his left tackle.

    Lang thanked his coach and said, "No," he would not draft himself. From that point on, something clicked. In the meeting room, Lang started diagramming blocking assignments. And on the field, he continued to play with a snarl, a swagger that'd compensate for any lack of grace.

    "When he's riding that fine line you better watch the (expletive) out," Symington said. "He doesn't care who you are. He's going to try to hurt you. That's what I wanted him to do. I preached that daily. Is it right or wrong? I don't know. He's going to make a lot of (expletive) money."
    In the wrong hands, either the coach who does not also teach self-control or the player who does not exercise it, this is probably trouble waiting to happen.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      Looks like the Pellini method has other adherents. From today's JSO Lang article:





      In the wrong hands, either the coach who does not also teach self-control or the player who does not exercise it, this is probably trouble waiting to happen.
      Right.

      The thing with Robison: Lang was CLEARLY looming over him, asserting complete dominance when the kick came. The kick was uncalled for, but Lang was, within the rules, antagonizing Robison. And I'm ok with assertion of dominance, it's football ferchrissakes.

      I thought this quote from Rodgers about Vandendouche was interesting and germane to the thread (From JSO Blog):

      "'Ohhh I got you goood. That one had to hurt.' That’s how he was talking to me, and I was like 'Ah, yeah, that was a good hit.' He likes to lay on people. Like I said, if you have a camera on him the entire game, and we watch the film, he is late getting to a lot of plays, and he just lays on guys, and stays on there. He probably did that at least a half-dozen times. So he’s laying on me, and I’m laying there. We threw a pass, completed, and he’s like [imitates Vanden Bosch's voice] 'I got you good, that had to hurt.' And I’m like, 'You hit me good, that was a good hit.' And he goes [imitation] 'Ohh yeah.' And I’m like, 'You’re probably getting a penalty though.' He goes, 'No way.' So I think someone finally came to pull him off me, because he probably would have laid there for awhile, and I was 'Yeah, you got me on the chin there, it’s probably a penalty."

      So I'm thinking Vandenpuke is sublimating his homosexual desire for ARod in front of a national tv audience.

      Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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      • #48
        Rodgers should have whispered to Vanden Bosch "scoreboard".

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Pugger View Post
          Rodgers should have whispered to Vanden Bosch "scoreboard".
          hehehe

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          • #50
            Is it just me, or do you get a creepy vibe from Vandenbosch, like he is enjoying laying on top of the QB too much? Maybe it reads different than it sounded. In my head it sounds like Randy Savage trying to charm someone. Uncomfortable.
            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by pbmax View Post
              Is it just me, or do you get a creepy vibe from Vandenbosch, like he is enjoying laying on top of the QB too much? Maybe it reads different than it sounded. In my head it sounds like Randy Savage trying to charm someone. Uncomfortable.
              As creepy as Lot's daughters laying with him, yes.
              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

              KYPack

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              • #52
                I guess it is just a matter of perspective, according an article in The Detroit Free Press, apparently Schwartz bears no responibility at all for anything his players do after the whistle.



                The premise itself is of course ridiculous, but here are a few choice cuts:

                "...he’s responsible for what happens from whistle to whistle. That’s what he coaches. What a player does beyond that is on the player."

                "This is pro football. The head coach is responsible for hiring the right coaches and calling the right plays. But when it comes to discipline, if these guys can’t police themselves, then they can’t be policed."

                Probably the most asinine football related viewpoint I've ever read.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                  As creepy as Lot's daughters laying with him, yes.
                  I don't think Rodgers was anywhere near as drunk as Lot. Anyway, Vandenbosch seems more like the men of Sodom knocking on Lot's chamber door: "And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." Ewww
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by jdrats View Post
                    I guess it is just a matter of perspective, according an article in The Detroit Free Press, apparently Schwartz bears no responibility at all for anything his players do after the whistle.



                    The premise itself is of course ridiculous, but here are a few choice cuts:

                    "...he’s responsible for what happens from whistle to whistle. That’s what he coaches. What a player does beyond that is on the player."

                    "This is pro football. The head coach is responsible for hiring the right coaches and calling the right plays. But when it comes to discipline, if these guys can’t police themselves, then they can’t be policed."

                    Probably the most asinine football related viewpoint I've ever read.
                    Schwartz is saying this? No wonder his roster is full of thugs...

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                    • #55
                      It's a circle the wagons mentality. The week after the Chicago game before a practice, one of the coaches called the players out onto the field for a merry session of chanting "Fuck them, fuck them!" over and over as a response to the usual "them" - the naysayers and critics.
                      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                      KYPack

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Pugger View Post
                        Schwartz is saying this? No wonder his roster is full of thugs...
                        No, I guess I said it badly--it is the home town writer dissolving Schwartz of any responsibility, but I can't imagine Schwartz feeling that he bears any responsibility in the situation.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by jdrats View Post
                          I guess it is just a matter of perspective, according an article in The Detroit Free Press, apparently Schwartz bears no responibility at all for anything his players do after the whistle.



                          The premise itself is of course ridiculous, but here are a few choice cuts:

                          "...he’s responsible for what happens from whistle to whistle. That’s what he coaches. What a player does beyond that is on the player."

                          "This is pro football. The head coach is responsible for hiring the right coaches and calling the right plays. But when it comes to discipline, if these guys can’t police themselves, then they can’t be policed."

                          Probably the most asinine football related viewpoint I've ever read.
                          well that's just ridiculous! that's irresponsible! on soundfx one of the Packers' coaches is heard telling the guys to "keep their heads" and not get caught up in that stuff. coaches are as responsible as the players when it comes to discipline...probably more so.

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