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I believe holmgren used to pass more than run.. The original west coast offense was designed to have short passes to negate the need to run in particular situations and to control the clock that way.
That's the way I remember it as well. I remember hearing more than once about how the pass would set up the run. I was hoping to see a lot more dinkin and dunkin on Saturday. I pondered to my buddy about the TE's and where were they. Not sure if they were just trying to practice plays more than a game plan.
My reason for already lowering expectations for this year, the defensive ends. You can't teach pass rush and unfortunately we're looking at another year of not getting off the field on 3rd downs. The most telling defensive stat on Saturday. Sorry, but blitzing isn't the answer if no one else on the line can get pressure.
That's what wist43 has been hammerin' since I started posting with all of you. He's been correct.
GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH !!
** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
17-3 isn't such a blow out, if Jennings had caught that TD pass it would've been 17-10. Lots of teams tinker and experiment with the lineup during the preseason, competition is good, I won't be suprised when Colledge wins his guard job back. I understand Harv's concern though because that's the same thing that happened last year. If they still aren't settled on who the starters are by the last preseason game I will be panicking.
Havrey is one of the most level headed fans around, and if he is jumping overboard, then whats next? Patler relying on a gut feeling instead of a statistic?
People really have short memories.
The O-line was never really a strength of the Packers in the '90s. We were spoiled by Clifton-Wahle-Flanagan-Rivera-Tauscher for what seemed like forever, but was really not that long.
Did anyone really expect the line to be a smooth running group by the first preseason game? I have said all off season that with 3 new starters, new coaches AND a new blocking philosophy even Tauscher and Clifton are in effect starting over. The line is likely to be not very good by regular season game #1. Hopefully they will be decent by game #8, and it will be next season before we know if it really is a solid five-some like we've had in the recent past.
The defense? Maybe its the same philosophy and a few of the same coaches, but there will be at least 5 new starters, maybe 6. THATS HALF THE TEAM! Again, if they get used to each other, the coaches and the scheme by October, that will be good.
I will be very happy if we just see steady improvement through out most of the season. Baring injuries, this SHOULD be a team that is much better in December than it is in September.
You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me? Then who the hell else are you talkin’ to? You talkin’ to me? Well, I’m the only one here. Who do the fuck do you think you’re talking to?
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
Havrey is one of the most level headed fans around, and if he is jumping overboard, then whats next? Patler relying on a gut feeling instead of a statistic?
My gut tells me that isn't likely to happen.
We're not in a knitting circle. We are members of a forum and this is where we lay it all out there,arrive at some conclusions.
Sometimes being a sports fan comes with frustrations and we are frustrated/powerless not to be able to do more for the team we support, the players we admire. So we vent. Noone does that here carelessly.
We sometimes let OUR feelings out, get real.
That's a good thing, because we are passionate about OUR team. We do this on OUR forum. I believe this solidifies OUR membership as Packer fans. Therefore we have a unique opportunity for a better inside on the team ( it's now and direction ).
One thing about the forum is we grow in OUR knowledge as football fans. I learn more than football. I learn about myself, in communication with many here. Unfortunately we are also human and as a result have agendas that are often based on personality and we will clash sometimes.
That's when it's time to examine self.
GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH FOR 2006 !!
** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
Maybe we need a knitting circle. That sounds like a pretty cool idea. We could crochet Packer potholders and exchange them with our Packer rat friends.
tyler
Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
Maybe we need a knitting circle. That sounds like a pretty cool idea. We could crochet Packer potholders and exchange them with our Packer rat friends.
tyler
OK tyler.
Just as long as I don't have to wear a cheesehead hat. Sometimes I have a helluva appetite.
** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
If McCarthy and crew don't get the team going thru the preseason, then I'll be a LITTLE more concerned.
Right now, I wouldn't be jumping off the bridge.
Are we an 8-8 team, POSSIBLY. But no better than that. That being said, we are a Clifton/Tauscher knee injury from 3-13 and Brett laid up before the bye week.
If McCarthy is a train wreck as I've heard others stating, then you can be assured Harlan/Jones will eventually fire McCarthy AND Thompson within 1-2 seasons.
They can't afford a slide into an abyss like the 70's and 80's were.
Maybe we need a knitting circle. That sounds like a pretty cool idea. We could crochet Packer potholders and exchange them with our Packer rat friends.
tyler
I have some lovely patterns and am willing to share my needles (man that sounds bad out of context) just be careful, I can be kinda dangerous with needles if pissed off.
"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings
the chargers first team scored on our second team for the second TD think. and our snd team o was going up against a lot of their starters in the 2nd quarter. and rogers still looked good, and moved the team well[/quote] Red
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We watched MM's show tonight on TMJ4 in Milwaukee, it went off well.
But the thing that surprised me most was - A-rod was their guest and
what a change in him over last year! He looked very relaxed, spoke
confidently and just blended in extremely well. Coach looked like he
was used to being there every week already as he will be, through
the entire season.
You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me? You talkin’ to me? Then who the hell else are you talkin’ to? You talkin’ to me? Well, I’m the only one here. Who do the fuck do you think you’re talking to?
Naw it was some other guy. Can I buy you a drink, take your wife out to dinner? You name it.
Can I buy you a drink, take your wife out to dinner?
You can do both. Just let me know when you want to do it.
"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson
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