Rodgers "only PR of 107/ Ryan grant gane over after this season/ Secondary/ Pass Rush

[Brandon494]

Weren't you the guy that was way late on acknowledging Nelson is better than Jones? He has been for awhile.

Last season I said I didn't know was better between the two but its clear that Nelson has taken his game to another level this year. I just have to laugh though when I start seeing his name mentioned as a #1 receiver or best receiver on the team when he is constantly getting single covered by guys like Will Blackmon.

[yooperfan]

Nothing was lucky about it

Whats the quote...... The harder I work, the luckier I get....

[RashanGary]

Nothing was lucky about it, we won a hard fought game on the road. Think some fans are just becoming a little spoiled by this amazing team we have.

Agree. Eli is a way underrated player. He played out of his mind today, as good as a statue QB can play. He made every pass, the tough ones, the ones where he got crushed. . . . . He managed the game beautifully, none of those idiot mistakes you see some QB's make. . . . The time thing after the big play. . . that goes on the QB, but outside of that, the guy was damn near flawless. One thing I think goes unnoticed with QB's sometimes. . . . the great ones manage the game beautifully. Favre, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, and even this Manning. . . . There are little idiot mistakes most QB's make. Maybe Eli isn't in that elite group, but he's really close and he manages the game at an elite level IMO. I never see him stumble up his team. There is something to that, the steadiness of the QB. . . . It matters a lot. Eli has "it" and always has IMO.

Pierre-Paul is a nightmare matchup for us too. Newhouse is a below average LT and he was up against maybe the most physically gifted pass rusher in the game today. They're also one of the teams that play really good zone defense behind big time pass rushers up front. We can have trouble with that, especially when JF has the dropsies.

That was a tough matchup both offensively and defensively. Big win. It shows we're beatable, but we earned that win and it was a big road win against a tough matchup.

[pbmax]

Any word on how he is progressing this season?

Only that he made no headway in a possible start at LG for Sitton. Not sure how many reps he got, if any.

[pbmax]

Peprah was a nice fit with Collins. Collins was so rangy and assignment sure on the back end, Peprah played closer to the line and had a smaller area to cover. With Woodson playing that joker position, there wasn't a lot of grey area in Peprah's assignments and he didn't need a ton of range either.

Neither Peprah or Burnett can do what Collins did. I don't know if Burnett is too slow or doesn't get the right jumps, but when Collins was back there, Peprah was kickin butt. It's more that the drop from Collins to Burnett is colossal. Which of those two is responsible for more of the disaster, I don't know, but neither of them, collectively or individually have been able to come even remotely close to filling Collins shoes. Tramon has been left alone on islands so many times this year. Last year, Collins found a way to get there and help over the top. This year, it's not happening.

It's hard to blame all or most of it on Peprah when he was so effective last year.

Peprah had his share of errors and was just as limited. That is why no one blinked an eye when Burnett was with the starters from Day 1 of camp. Pass rush covered him for a portion of his time starting.

But its clear that if left to cover, he is limited and Burnett is not Collins yet.

[pbmax]

Weren't you the guy that was way late on acknowledging Nelson is better than Jones? He has been for awhile.

Did we figure that out before the playoffs last year?

[Pugger]

fin didn't have a good game. three drops? AR had six drops they said. nothing different from the d. i've gotten used to it. 10 points off turnovers though...don't forget about that.

Finley had some drops but he also got mugged 5 yards beyond the LOS and not a flag to be seen 3 out of the 4 that I saw...

[pbmax]

Nelson is just playing better football.

This, we can all agree on.

Since Finley has started to get the extra attention, he hasn't found a way to rise to that next level. The great ones find a way to be great even with the extra attention. Time will tell if JF is that kind of player. So far, he's shown he's not.

Finley has done this in the past. But he is not doing it now. Not because he cannot "rise to the occasion", but because he is getting the occasional odd angled throw from Rodgers and then because he is fighting the easy ones. That one in the middle of the field in the second half, when he had split the LB and safety but the throw was lower than it could be. I think the pressure was affecting Rodgers today more than usual. Like other physical errors, each is affecting his head and confidence. He solves one, and the rest will disappear.

[Pugger]

I agree & what a weird turnaround the D has taken! It can't be all on losing Collins to injury & Jenkins to the Iggles.

It didn't help to have Hawk and Bishop in street clothes. Then we lost Woody.

[Pugger]

Even with all the investment, that OL still looks iffy. Clifton is done after this year. Is Newhouse a capable LT? You need someone to protect the franchise's blindside.

The TOP PRIORITY is protecting Rodgers, especially with Flynn gone next year. If you do that, you will win 12 games a year with a bunch of stiffs on defense. Sure we need defensive help...but a sieve at LT isn't going to work, and that's about where we are at currently.

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I'm hoping with a full offseason of OTAs and mini-camps Sherrod can get in there next season. Will Cliffy be back at all this season? I don't feel all that comfortable with Newhouse protecting Rodgers' backside right now.

[pbmax]

Agree. Eli is a way underrated player. He played out of his mind today, as good as a statue QB can play. He made every pass, the tough ones, the ones where he got crushed. . . . . He managed the game beautifully, none of those idiot mistakes you see some QB's make. . . . The time thing after the big play. . . that goes on the QB, but outside of that, the guy was damn near flawless. One thing I think goes unnoticed with QB's sometimes. . . . the great ones manage the game beautifully. Favre, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, and even this Manning. . . . There are little idiot mistakes most QB's make. Maybe Eli isn't in that elite group, but he's really close and he manages the game at an elite level IMO. I never see him stumble up his team. There is something to that, the steadiness of the QB. . . . It matters a lot. Eli has "it" and always has IMO.

Justin, Eli was 23 of 40 (57.5%) and most of those incompletes were one hoppers to receivers on short routes or overthrows. Flawless is not the word to describe his performance. He was very good on the deep stuff and long crossing routes and terrible elsewhere. If Eli did not have a running game, teams would play deep and there is a chance Eli scatter arms himself to the Chiefs.

[mraynrand]

Nothing was lucky about it, we won a hard fought game on the road. Think some fans are just becoming a little spoiled by this amazing team we have.

I think people expect too much. This is an extremely well run team, this Packers squad. Are there any complete teams in the NFL? The answer is no, there are not. But the Packers play well and in a league where the passing game has been promoted by intent and by rules to match, the Packers are the best at the craft. Finley is probably the 3rd or fourth best TE in the game, Jennings is a top 10 WR; Nelson easily in the top 32. Driver, Cobb, and Jones are very good complimentary players. And pushing the buttons is a QB as ruthlessly self-disciplined to make the correct, accurate, and safe throw as I've ever seen in the NFL. Running the show is the most underrated offensive mind in today's NFL. Any given Sunday works in the NFL, and teams get motivated for big games and big challenges. THe Packers, in an off week, with a number of starters out, took the best shot of a talented team on the road, and defeated them. The Giants can beat any team any Sunday. But they didn't beat the Packers today, because the Packers are a better team.

[gbgary]

Finley had some drops but he also got mugged 5 yards beyond the LOS and not a flag to be seen 3 out of the 4 that I saw...

no question about it!

[Pugger]

I think people expect too much. This is an extremely well run team, this Packers squad. Are there any complete teams in the NFL? The answer is no, there are not. But the Packers play well and in a league where the passing game has been promoted by intent and by rules to match, the Packers are the best at the craft. Finley is probably the 3rd or fourth best TE in the game, Jennings is a top 10 WR; Nelson easily in the top 32. Driver, Cobb, and Jones are very good complimentary players. And pushing the buttons is a QB as ruthlessly self-disciplined to make the correct, accurate, and safe throw as I've ever seen in the NFL. Running the show is the most underrated offensive mind in today's NFL. Any given Sunday works in the NFL, and teams get motivated for big games and big challenges. THe Packers, in an off week, with a number of starters out, took the best shot of a talented team on the road, and defeated them. The Giants can beat any team any Sunday. But they didn't beat the Packers today, because the Packers are a better team.

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[gbgary]

I think people expect too much. This is an extremely well run team, this Packers squad. Are there any complete teams in the NFL? The answer is no, there are not. But the Packers play well and in a league where the passing game has been promoted by intent and by rules to match, the Packers are the best at the craft. Finley is probably the 3rd or fourth best TE in the game, Jennings is a top 10 WR; Nelson easily in the top 32. Driver, Cobb, and Jones are very good complimentary players. And pushing the buttons is a QB as ruthlessly self-disciplined to make the correct, accurate, and safe throw as I've ever seen in the NFL. Running the show is the most underrated offensive mind in today's NFL. Any given Sunday works in the NFL, and teams get motivated for big games and big challenges. THe Packers, in an off week, with a number of starters out, took the best shot of a talented team on the road, and defeated them. The Giants can beat any team any Sunday. But they didn't beat the Packers today, because the Packers are a better team.

this!