And the PackerRat gameball goes to.......

[Cheesehead Craig]

The Giants front four give even good OL fits. It may be a bit harsh to judge Newhouse so poorly. He needed help more often.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I have Newhouse for 6 bad plays in the second half. 2 didn't affect the plays (Jennings TD and Rodgers first down scramble), two were pressures, and two were sacks, but one sack was inside and probably was 1/2 Newhouse's fault. So not the 90% perfect some want from a LT, but probably 80% effective; certainly not 50%.

A bad play is when the defensive opponent has Newhouse off-balance, or is not being slowed down sufficiently. That was happenning most plays in first half, regularly in 2nd half.

[pbmax]

I may be off my rocker, but several times I have thought that Newhouse has struggled because of stature and size. Literally not being able to reach far enough, push further, punch or swallow a rush.

It could be wishful thinking but Sherrod looks like a Clifton clone from a size perspective. I don't think you are getting around Derek without him getting a mitt on you. And that mitt will feel like a ton of bricks.

[Tarlam!]

My gameball goes to Clay Mathews. Without his effort, there is no win. All due repect to putting 4 TDs and over 300 yards on the Giants. All due respect to Jordy Nelson's catches, which were workks of art at times. But if the Claymaker isn't in Eli's face all night, there is no win.

[Smeefers]

Game ball to Nelson. Unbelievable catches in the clutch.

Choke award to Peprah. He's the best we got, and that's a problem

Peprah's actually having a pretty fair season if you look at his stat line. A helluva lot better than a lot of other back up safeties there in the NFL.

[Joemailman]

Peprah's actually having a pretty fair season if you look at his stat line. A helluva lot better than a lot of other back up safeties there in the NFL.

When he gets beat deep for a TD, there is no stat.

[Smeefers]

When he gets beat deep for a TD, there is no stat.

I understand, but I have a hard time saying a guy sucks because he gives up one play. Tramon Gave up a couple deep balls and we're not calling for a replacement on that guy.

Oh, and I'd give the game ball to Crosby. His second game winner. His first game winner was the first game he ever played in. I actually remember saying "well, I guess we don't have to worry about this guy being clutch." Then he never had to be clutch again until yesterday.

The choke award goes to Finley. Sorry, 4 drops equals choke in my book, even if he did have one clutch reception.

[mraynrand]

A bad play is when the defensive opponent has Newhouse off-balance, or is not being slowed down sufficiently. That was happenning most plays in first half, regularly in 2nd half.

In my view a bad play is one that disrupts the play.

That's not what I saw. He was effective on the majority of plays. He was responsible for about 3-4 pressures, a sack or two, and one or two bad runs. Not a good day, but it wasn't a disaster.

I'll be interested to see McGinn's evaluation. He may agree with you.

[RashanGary]

Yeah Smeefers, Finley seems to be dropping them more and more this year. This is his 2nd or 3rd really bad game in 12 games where he just flat out dropped multiple catches he should have made.

When AR was forcing the ball to Finley, sure, he was making great catches while AR was racking up INT's. But AR is an elite QB. He doesn't have throw up jump balls. He's aware enough to throw guys open, to throw away from leverage. Guys like Nelson, Jennings, Welker, Gronkowski. . . . they get it. They're on the same page. They're ready for the ball to be thrown away from the leverage and they adjust accordingly.

I don't remember who AR was throwing to when he threw that pick, but my bet is Jermichael Finley. Honestly, I know the rest of the league loves him. I know he's a Packer fan favorite for his physical prowess and circus catches. . . . We were as good down the stretch last year without him as we are this year with him. He's not an elite player though. He's an elite talent who hurts you a lot with his route running mistakes. I'd compare him to old #4. Not even as talented, but he's a guy who does great things, and then fucks up 1 or 2 times every game in a way that costs you. 4 was a QB. 88 is a TE. The impact is far less, but the more you want to get Finley involved, the more you have to rely on him adjusting and the worse it gets. The guy is a million dollar talent with a ten cent head.

[mission]

We're undefeated-- Finley hasn't cost us much JH.

[Harlan Huckleby]

In my view a bad play is one that disrupts the play.

That's not what I saw. He was effective on the majority of plays. He was responsible for about 3-4 pressures, a sack or two, and one or two bad runs. Not a good day, but it wasn't a disaster.

I'll be interested to see McGinn's evaluation. He may agree with you.

McGinn uses the term "bad play" the same way you are. If McGinn disagrees with me, I will not post his grades this week.

A player ought to have less than 3 such flubs per game to stay out of my crosshairs.

Newhouse was overmatched against Pierre-Paul, its not so remarkable that Newhouse would struggle on half the plays.

[mraynrand]

McGinn uses the term "bad play" the same way you are. If McGinn disagrees with me, I will not post his grades this week.

A player ought to have less than 3 such flubs per game to stay out of my crosshairs.

Newhouse was overmatched against Pierre-Paul, its not so remarkable that Newhouse would struggle on half the plays.

McGinn:

DE Jason Pierre-Paul, the Giants' best defensive player, was way too quick for Marshall Newhouse, beating him repeatedly both outside and inside. On two "bad" runs totaling minus-7, Newhouse couldn't handle Pierre-Paul at the point of attack. Newhouse gave up 1½ sacks, three knockdowns and two hurries to Pierre-Paul and had another sack wiped out by penalty. Until Newhouse starts using his hands more consistently, he will struggle against top players.

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The Giants were credited with two sacks, one by Tollefson, who burst by Newhouse and one by Tuck, who I believe stunted. I don't know how McGinn credited Newhouse with 1/2 that sack. I credited Newhouse with the sack that was wiped out by penalty.


I see it as Newhouse having a rough day against a very good DE. I don't think that he struggled on half the plays, but we can just disagree there. He's going to have to play better to not be a liability against some of the better defenses, or they have to give him more help. I think Stubby really hates the idea of having to waste an option on offense by chipping or leaving a TE in the backfield.

[Upnorth]

If newhouse level of play does not improve I doubt he will start next year, but for a backup asked to play lt for a team every defence gets jacked up playing he has done well. JPP did beat him, but it was not a beat down. Look forward to an upgrade, but Newhouse is playing at a level much better than most backups.

"I think Stubby really hates the idea of having to waste an option on offense by chipping or leaving a TE in the backfield. " -Mraynrand

I would think that against a hard charging D like NYG using a TE to chip then release could help a lot with teh big plays later in the game. Also if you get JPP thinking he is taking on two blocks it will change his first step which might help Newhouse set and get his hands in the right position. Mcginn and I believe PB (could be wrong) mentioned Newhouses hands need to rest quicker, that early assistance would help out.

[Brandon494]

So Nelson has 4 catches and no TDs but gets the game ball because he beat single coverage against Will Blackmon? Not trying to be a hater but come on man. Game ball should go to AR without a doubt.

[Deputy Nutz]

I have Newhouse for 6 bad plays in the second half. 2 didn't affect the plays (Jennings TD and Rodgers first down scramble), two were pressures, and two were sacks, but one sack was inside and probably was 1/2 Newhouse's fault. So not the 90% perfect some want from a LT, but probably 80% effective; certainly not 50%.

Yes but that is like a short stop that boots one out of every ten plays. Newhouse is not consitent enough to be more than a struggling left tackle at this point.

Evan Detrich Smith was terrible in the run game.