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Originally posted by MJZiggy
That's good. REAL GOOD !!!
GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH FOR 2006 till it's GONE.
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DAM!! MJ
That's good. REAL GOOD !!!
GO PACKERS ! HOLD THE FAITH FOR 2006 till it's GONE.** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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I believe Wist43 means. . .???Originally posted by jack's smirking revenge
That " the football God's of FATE " are conspiring against us - as in, we have way over the top too much on OUR plate's to be competitive.
We are weak all over as a team.** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. ThoreauComment
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While I am not per se a naysayer – I do want to see improvement on all aspects of the game. However, for me to feel really good about the team (and gulping the kool-aid), I need to see the below during the next game:
At least 3.5 yards per carry, with at least 25 carries in the game
Consistent pass protection – without the use of tight ends in to block
A QB rating (average) of over 90
No turnovers by the offense
At least two sacks by the defense (I don’t care if its on a blitz)
At least one turnover generated by the defense
Limiting the opposing offensive to < 3 yards per carry
An opposing QB rating of < 80
A win'Til the EndComment
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No more than one sack
Solid O-line
An emergence of a #3 receiver.
Good Cornerback Play
A run of 20 yards or longer
Time for Favre to throw."I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael FinleyComment
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What I mean is, simply - that there are too many obstacles to overcome for this team to be competetive this year - or probably next year.Originally posted by jack's smirking revenge
If it were only one thing you could say "if they shore up that area by signing a FA, or they can tread water until a stud rookie gets up to speed, or this, or that..." But none of us can say that, b/c there are simpy too many problems.
HERE'S THE REALITY:
1. The OL is going to take time to come together - even if you assume that they've addressed the talent issue - Long term Colledge, Spitz, and Wells could very well form the core of a very good OL for years to come. As for this year, they're going to struggle.
2. No pass rush, and no hope of having a pass rush - not even with blitzing - Some of us were hoping that Montgomery would have bulked up and improved his strength, and that he could possibly have been the answer, but he did neither, and looks like little more than a career backup.
3. More no pass rush - The only LB on the roster who has the size/speed/strength combination to be an effective pass rusher is Poppinga, but he's probably not going to see much time from scrimmage.
4. More no pass rush - Critical to the scheme is for the DE's generate pressure from the outside - Kampman and KGB are completely incapable of providing consistent pressure. KGB will pad his sack totals against inferior T's, but against average/above average T's he's invisible. Kampman is what he is - a try hard guy that mops up the occasional "coverage sack". With no pass rush, it doesn't matter how much TT might have improved the backs seven - w/o a pass rush, they're toast.
5. New run blocking scheme - Along with trying to break in the youngin's, all of the OL are trying to learn the new scheme... no matter how you slice it, it's going to take time. How long it takes will go a long way toward determining the W-L record. If they can't run the ball, teams are just going tee off on Brett - and given how shoddy the OL looks overall, that's a scary prospect.
6. No playmakers on offense - Ahman Green is coming off of a major injury and has an awful lot of milage on his body; Donald Driver is a very good #2 receiver, but he's not in the top teir of WR's in the league; Donald Lee is their best playmaker at TE, but he's wallowing at 3rd on the depth chart; Brett is still a weapon, but with such a weak supporting cast he could easily revert into being a liability as he starts chucking it up for grabs after the frustration sets in.
7. Coaching staff - Talk about a huge, huge unknown. I didn't like the hire from the outset, and I'm not feeling any better about M3 2 weeks into camp. A new HC, and both coordinators are new to their positions - there's going to be a learning curve.
And that's just the obvious stuff. There's no way anyone can objectively look at the current state of this team and conclude anything other than that this team is an awful long way away from being competetive.
The national writers have the Packers coming in between 4-12 and 6-10. After seeing this team fall flat on its face against San Diego, and given all of the problems they have to overcome, I think 6-10 is actually pretty optimistic.wistComment
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wist to the rescue. He can always make me look like an optimist--even though I'm an optimistic realist."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Good Fricken lord I thought this board was full of PACKER fans. Do you remember DECADES of futility? WE have THREE Super Bowl wins!!! We arent the Vikings hoping and PRAYING that we can win a Super Bowl to have something to come back at the Packer fans!
We have a legend at QB. That should be MORE than enough for us to be excited about this year. Have some fun good lord!
If another fan of another team says stop living in the past just come back with rather be a has been then a never will be!!!!
Face it this is FOOTBALL!!!! get excited!!! Stop fricken writing down everytime Coston looks to the left on a HB dive when the LB is shifting to the west and the bird flys through the camera view!!! Who cares have some fun we are 0-0 this season!!!
0-0!!! do you guys get that? We are the team that hope springs eternal! Stop bitching like spoiled little brats, ooh we arent going 13-3 boo fricken who! be happy we arent a team like the lions! hehe
Sit back grab a beer/kool-aid and have fun watching the games. Dont bet on the Packers because it will piss you off. Sit back with some friends/family and have fun watching a legend and some good solid rookies play the game we love.Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.Comment
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Wow, you just bitched like a spoiled little brat too, only you were trying to prove YOUR point. Good job.Originally posted by Tony Oday
How fun would chatting about the Pack be if we all were wine and roses about 2006? If we all had the same opinion and we were all drinking the same Kool-Aid?
"Man, they're gonna be awesome!"
"I can't wait to see Jennings catch 80 balls for 2,000 yds!"
"Ahman is gonna tear it up this year. Back to the Pro Bowl for him!"
"I think its gonna be Pack vs. Colts in the big game in January!"
And then there's reality....and that's what we talk about--the possible good, the bad and the ugly of the 2006 season. Yes, I can still be a fan and criticize them. I don't have to surrender to the bliss of simply being a fan and seeing them play. I pay them to enterain me. So do you. Every single person's requirement for NFL entertainment is different.
If sitting back and having a brew and watching Favre is all that you need and all that you expect, great! Party on man!
I'm not you and I am a Packer fan.
tyler
p.s. We only have one SB win in the last 20 years. Some of us are logically trying to estimate when the next one may come about by understanding the successes and failures of the current roster. Call it forecasting, if you want. Guesstimating. Prognosticating. It happens all over the industry.Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.
"Paradise Lost"-John MiltonComment
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Originally posted by jack's smirking revenge
Hey Tony, would you like me to run over to JSO and grab Tex?
j/k
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hehe I like it Rastak
F it have fun guys being realists in the preseason. Your hopes and dreams will be crushed ask Rastak about that from last years Viking preseason.
For me its bottoms up on the Kool-aid and bring on the football!Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.Comment
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Originally posted by Tony Odayhehe I like it Rastak
F it have fun guys being realists in the preseason. Your hopes and dreams will be crushed ask Rastak about that from last years Viking preseason.
For me its bottoms up on the Kool-aid and bring on the football!
You ain't kidding Tony....most of the national writers were predicting HUGE things for the Vikings, most of the JSO posters were predicting huge things
for the Packers....the season started and both teams laid one giant egg.
Both teams were like 2-5 and I was just bummed. I know you guys were realing. The Vikings somewhat recovered but Green Bay never did. This year I'm very carefull in my hopes for the Vikings, I'm somewhat optomisitc but ain't predicting no 11-5 season. I totally understand why some Packer fans have reservations..
But Tony, I will agree it's better to try and stay on the optomistic side...like Harvey's Optomist/Realist club. It's just that the realist side of it is making some dire predictions...maybe a good showing Saturday will change the mood more to your liking. We fans are somewhat fickle bunch at times.Comment
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Im not fickle. Heck last year I had to drink most of the games into oblivion to watch them!! hehe I just hate that its only preseason. If that was the bears and that was the type of game we were playing well Wreak havoc and let loose the dogs of war all over the team but man its the 1st game against a different team!
Just like everyone in Viking land is looking for a huge season this year but in reality it looks like they will be two-three years away from dominating because it usually takes that long for an offensive line to gel and by that time Mckinnie will be gone. Im excited to see what chester can do behind that line and the defense looks like it can swarm!Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.Comment
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I will drink just about anything if it has a little somethin'-somethin' in it.
As for the season's prospects, my expectations aren't too high, but I hope for the best. Probably the same as most here. What I *do* expect is to see improvement over last year, and to at least be competitive in each game. I expect the team to keep working through any struggles and to keep trying no matter what (which they did last year, with the exception of the Baltimore game).
The trick is to be "realistic" without being "negative." Some posters here do quite a good job at that balancing act. Being negative only ruins the experience for yourself and others. Just like the old adage about life, football is 10% what happens and 90% how you react to it.
So, if anything, we should all be drinking a kool-aid toast to the fact that football season is almost here. Contrary to what Andy Williams says about Christmastime, *this* is the most wonderful time of the year!!
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Dissecting this from all offseason, my concern didn't start over one game. It began when I saw how Ted Thompson was using up his $35,000,000 of cap space.
At the end of this year either he'll be proclaimed to be a f'ckin idiot for relying on a 2nd yr center, and two rookie offensive guards, or he'll be considered incredibly clever for handpicking the right youngyans.
Based on week one he looks like the idiot.
Atlanta's DL is not that tough against the Run. For my Packer Homerism to be reborn I need to see some dominance by our OL.
OL Dominance, successful runs and pass protection. Then I'll have some Kool Aide.TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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Don't get too confident about their chances, B. I'd have put their odds of success to be better with SD. Atlanta D practices against a ZBS daily--and quite frankly, an O that's been using it a whole lot longer than our youngins. I'm hoping they do a great job, but I'm also hoping that the o-line watches and learns how this system looks when it's working well.Originally posted by Bretsky"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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