Let him walk

[pbmax]

How is that even an int these days? If that's a receiver, with a defenders hands on the ball, before he goes out of bounds, seems to me they'd say he never established control.

If Finley justs lets the DB fall on top of him it's probably simultaneous possesion and a TD. Intead, Finley flips him out of bounds and somehow it's ruled an int.

After replay, the ref literally said, "The player had two hands on the ball..." Which seems a low standard.

A great play by that db, but, as mentioned earlier, I just don't get the NFL's cluster fuck of rules concerning a catch in the end zone.

Well, the DB did hang onto the ball after he hit the ground, so there is that. But its a great point, I wonder if the same rules apply to DBs on an INT?

[pbmax]

From the Giants game, on, when Starks got the running game back on track? Just as good, actually. Nuff said. End result? Champs. Nuff said.

Really though, it's the endless debate. The new forum bitch fight.

The offense this year has been Atlanta playoff game good in all but about 4 games. The 2010 Packer's offense followed a 45 point effort against a collapsing Giants team with 10, 21, 48, 21 and 31 points. After the Giants game that is an average of 26.2 points. The 2011 Packers are averaging 35.8.

If that is the only measure, Finley is worth 9.6 points per game.

Outside of QB, $8.5 million a year would never be better spent.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Like others have said, only Finley's asking price will determine if he stays. While he's a hell of a talent, if he asks for too much the Pack won't keep him. Personally, I hope and expect that he'll stay.

There's a reason the Packers kept 5 TEs on the roster this season. It's a giant backup plan in case they lose Finley this offseason. If he goes, there's 4 guys who have been with the team and practiced and played that they can work into the offense. If he stays, we can do it all again next season or use one of those guys as trade bait to shore up another area or our draft pick status.

I gotta say, the 5 TE roster move was wierd when it was first announced, but it's been a brilliant move.

[Brandon494]

I think the five TE move was more because of the lost of FB Hall and Johnson and special teams plays.

[pbmax]

And all but DJ Williams play big roles on Special Teams, something Johnson did not do.

[Patler]

The posters on this board who actually have a clue all agree how valuable Finley is, the guy is not going anywhere. Yea he's not having the best season but teams are still putting double coverage on him for a reason.

The problem is, if he doesn't start catching the ball consistently and making difficult plays more often, teams may not continue to be so concerned about him in their coverages. If that happens, he needs to take advantage of it.

[Tarlam!]

Learn something

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...135146223.html

We gotta keep him. He's black.

[mraynrand]

We gotta keep him. He's talented.

fixed, as they say

[mraynrand]

Who cares? The guy can catch TDs in other ways...and the Pats use them. The Pats don't have the offensive firepower we have, so they use him like they have to.

yup. Pats still have Welker and Branch as their top wideouts. That's like Driver and Cobb starting for the Packers. You bet they are gonna throw to their TEs

[Brandon494]

We gotta keep him. He's black.

Hail Hitler!

[pbmax]

I wonder how much double coverage Welker draws. He is definitely on teams radar, as the Packers put Woodson on him, but I wonder how much he gets two bodies? Because everytime I see Gronkowski making a play, its against a LB. Branch isn't drawing double teams, is he?

[mraynrand]

I wonder how much double coverage Welker draws. He is definitely on teams radar, as the Packers put Woodson on him, but I wonder how much he gets two bodies? Because everytime I see Gronkowski making a play, its against a LB. Branch isn't drawing double teams, is he?

Not a chance. Single coverage is usually quite sufficient to keep Branch blanketed.

I've seen mixed coverages against Welker. Sometimes a CB follows him, and covers man under, sometimes a LB hands off to a safety. Most often, he runs uncovered in a zone. As well as putting Cwood in man coverage on him, I think the Packers even tried a match-up zone, but I'd have to go back to last Dec's game to see for sure. But the point remains that the TEs in NE are frequent targets, because they have to be.

[pbmax]

Not a chance. Single coverage is usually quite sufficient to keep Branch blanketed.

I've seen mixed coverages against Welker. Sometimes a CB follows him, and covers man under, sometimes a LB hands off to a safety. Most often, he runs uncovered in a zone. As well as putting Cwood in man coverage on him, I think the Packers even tried a match-up zone, but I'd have to go back to last Dec's game to see for sure. But the point remains that the TEs in NE are frequent targets, because they have to be.

Francois the TE killer will have no problem intercepting Brady on those routes.

[Fritz]

That makes it sound as if his attitude is week to week. He is on board. Its like Finley is the new Crosby around here.

I disagree. I have not heard a single soul say that Finley looks like that famous midget actor guy.

[mraynrand]

^^^^ Awesome!