24 Quarters to History

[Tarlam!]

I think people are still a little haunted by the NFCCG against the Giants a few years ago. Favre froze up in the 2nd half of that game. Rodgers won't.

Plus all you had to do was see Favre's face in that NFCCG to know he didn't want to be there. That was pathetic, even before his season-ending interception.

Very obvious.

It was painful. I think that look was the icing on the cake for TT take make the transition. I know he looked great in '09, in a dome. But he looked totally out of place in Lambeau in late January in '07. surprising, cause the week before, he looked All-World.

[channtheman]

It was painful. I think that look was the icing on the cake for TT take make the transition. I know he looked great in '09, in a dome. But he looked totally out of place in Lambeau in late January in '07. surprising, cause the week before, he looked All-World.

It was the freezing cold sucky games that Favre hated. Just a few weeks before that at Chicago when we lost 35-7 I think, you could tell Favre didn't want to be out there either. Looking back, MM probably should have put Rodgers in the Giants game, but there was no way he could have done that if Favre was healthy.

[Tarlam!]

Looking back, MM probably should have put Rodgers in the Giants game, but there was no way he could have done that if Favre was healthy.

Agree fully. Back then, favre was the Franchise and had rodgers lost that game, I doubt the present day franchise would look as it does. Still, one has to wonder how the game would have played out if M3 HAD benched Favre in the 4th.

[Kiwon]

Whatever. Just so Rodgers is healthy and ready to go come the playoffs.

[yooperfan]

Awww, really, this turned into a Favre discussion..........

Good article on JsOnline about the players wanting it...

"The entire team felt the sting of unfulfilled objectives when it lost a wild overtime playoff game against Arizona two years ago. It had to spend an entire off-season wondering what could have been.

Driver said nobody wants to feel that way again.

"Those type of games make you come back the next year and know you can't leave it out there," he said. "That's what happened. Last year, we thought about losing that game and (we) come back as the sixth seed and go out and run the whole thing. We knew those opportunities are slim."

[Smidgeon]

They would beat the shit out of any team from the old days (at the very least) due to size differences.

But are they comparatively better? True while the size and speed (and soberness) is better these days, so is everyone's. I'm not going to assume that the present Packers team is simply the most dominating of all time. Especially with a porous defense.

[LP]

That, and they'd be sober.

I think this begs the question, 'Who is the better reciever while drunk: Jerry Rice or Max McGee?'

[Tarlam!]

But are they comparatively better? True while the size and speed (and soberness) is better these days, so is everyone's. I'm not going to assume that the present Packers team is simply the most dominating of all time. Especially with a porous defense.

That Vic guy over at Packers.com has a lot of minuses, but his insight on the different eras is good value for a relatively new fan such as myself.

He recently informed that O-linemen were caoched to grab their own jerseys at the snap, because until 1970 something, it was illegal for them to block using their hands. He said if Vince were magically to reappear, his first words would be "Hey, those linemen are all holding!".

So my point is, to have two teams from different eras magically face off, there needs to be a set of rules in place that does not give one era an advantage.

[yooperfan]

I think this begs the question, 'Who is the better reciever while drunk: Jerry Rice or Max McGee?'

McGee hands down!!! or at least hung over......

[Upnorth]

When comparing apples to apples the lombardi teams are the most dominante in history, and until someone gets close (say 4 in 5 championships) there should not be a discussion. Each team plays within their era's rules, so you have to compare to contemporary teams. No one has had that kind of dominance before or since.

For a single year there can be comparisons, but not for a time period.

[Tarlam!]

Valid, well thought out argument, IMHO, Upnorth. Are you getting enough sleep?

[pbmax]

That Vic guy over at Packers.com has a lot of minuses, but his insight on the different eras is good value for a relatively new fan such as myself.

He recently informed that O-linemen were caoched to grab their own jerseys at the snap, because until 1970 something, it was illegal for them to block using their hands. He said if Vince were magically to reappear, his first words would be "Hey, those linemen are all holding!".

So my point is, to have two teams from different eras magically face off, there needs to be a set of rules in place that does not give one era an advantage.

Some of it balances out. Vince might also wonder why no D lineman are using a head slap on the holding O lineman.

[Kiwon]

Are we going to have in-game updates through this thread? 24 quarters to history....23.....22.....21......20.....

[Pugger]

Yeah, I'm tired of hearing radio people talk about the Packers not built for cold weather because of their playoff performance last year. The Packers are built to 'be better than you' and the weather won't matter where the hell they're better. I've seen the argument for the 49ers in Lambeau and I really doubt any team is going to run their way to the Super Bowl. This ain't your daddy's NFL.

Plus all you had to do was see Favre's face in that NFCCG to know he didn't want to be there. That was pathetic, even before his season-ending interception.

And was probably one of the reasons why MM was so eager to move on with AR once #4 "retired".

[Upnorth]

Valid, well thought out argument, IMHO, Upnorth. Are you getting enough sleep?

So to clarify my confusing points;

1. Vince lombardi's run in the 60's has never been close to equalled. Winning 5 in 7 years and three in a row is absolutley amazing and I feel a team would have tow in 4 championships in 5 years to even be compared to this team.

2. On a single year basis you could compare other teams in terms of dominance, say against the 1965 team or which ever. That is the only way you could compare any other teams to the 60's packers, no others can come close over an extended time period.

3. When you do compare teams from different era's it is hard to make them apples to apples comparisons as the rules and styles vary greatly over different era's.


Finally yes I am quit tired, the new baby sleeps 20ish hours a day, but likes to play at 2 ish in the morning and 6ish, so I wake at 6 and get all the kids ready for the day. Its the 2am crying that really exhausts me though.