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How would someone's calf hit the ground before some another body part? I just about got caught trying to figure it out on the floor at work. It was a fumble.
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Except of course Perreira was right and Leavy was wrong.Originally posted by sheepshead View PostTOOL!
If the Packers had beaten the Giants by seven points or fewer on Sunday, the NFL offices in Manhattan would have been besieged by calls, emails, pitchforks, and/or torches as to the failure of referee Bill Leavy to overturn a ruling on the field that Packers receiver Greg Jennings had lost possession of the ball in the first quarter before he was down.
Even though the Giants won the game by 17 points, Leavy’s indisputable failure to find that indisputable evidence existed to reverse the non-fumble finding has made a major stir. The league has explained the decision.
“Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1 of the NFL Rule Book (page 35) states: ‘An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: (a) when a runner is contacted by a defensive player and touches the ground with any part of his body other than his hands or feet,’” the league said in a statement emailed to PFT by NFL spokesman Greg Aiello. “So by rule, if Jennings’ calf was on the ground prior to the ball coming loose, he is down by contact. Contrary to what was suggested during the game, there is no need for the runner’s knee to be on the ground.”
That’s a not-so-subtle slap at FOX, whose broadcasters (including rules analyst and former NFL V.P. of officiating Mike Pereira) believed that Leavy had committed a pretty big blunder.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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No, that's not what he(Leavy) saw AND Pereira's explanation was apparently incorrect( I didnt hear it).Originally posted by pbmax View PostLombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967Comment
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It was a fumble"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - WoodbuckComment
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The calf explanation just doesn't seem to pass the smell test. It seems like an explanation concocted after the fact, made convenient by his calf being obscured in some angles.Originally posted by sheepshead View PostBud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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You know what? I was going to post again about how crappy of a call it was. Then I went and looked at a youtube video and frankly, it is not as clear as it first seemed. I can't tell exactly when the ball is moving, but I can see that the calf does hit the ground before the ball tilts from a position perpendicular to Jennings' arm. Wow. I was 100% sure that it was a fumble until then. I've never seen a player called down by "calf" before, but it may actually have been correct.Originally posted by pbmax View Post
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Nope. Ball was open and loose before that calf hit and despite sheeps protestations (and despite a misleading PFT article and Aiello press release) Perreira mentioned the back of the leg/calf as looking like it was not down before the ball was loose.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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I can see why that call would not be overturned. It looks to me that when the ball starts to get pulled out, you can't see Jennings' lower leg because #23 of the Giants is standing in the way. It was probably a fumble, but that replay does not look conclusive to me.I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
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Watch that shit again. Once it came out it flew in a horizontal direction. I believe the leaning movement of the ball that everyone thinks is it coming out is Jennings holding it by the tip with his fingers and trying to cradle it towards his forearm. Thats when and why it is popped out. By then he is down.
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I was way more certain about that call 5 minutes ago than I am now..."Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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As Mad said, I think the key is when you determine that the ball is coming loose. If you go by when it first stops being in line with Jennings' arm, he is probably down.Comment
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Heck I don't know for certain, but we can't have a 24 hour video challenge. Mad, you have got to be faster with these things.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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