Studs and Duds - Week 17 New Year's Day!

[Joemailman]

Kevin Greene's gotta be thinking "They gotta give me something to work with". Since giving up a bunch to get CMIII, TT has gone bargain basement at the position. This draft it may be time to invest a higher pick in a bookend.

[KYPack]

A couple posts and the coaching staff makes the move that day.

We must all learn to use the power of PackerRats wisely.

Don't give them too many ideas to implement, they've only got two weeks to prepare.

[pbmax]

A couple posts and the coaching staff makes the move that day.

We must all learn to use the power of PackerRats wisely.

Don't give them too many ideas to implement, they've only got two weeks to prepare.

Then let me suggest that if Jones does start and is not the answer, stick So'oto out there for the CG (hopefully), strap a dozen bottle rockets to his backside, set them on fire and let him go nuts.

[pbmax]

Good lookin' out, Joe.

That could be the answer to the musical question, "Who's the ROLB"?

Walden and Zombo sure weren't the anwer Sunday.

Zombo plays like he hasn't recovered from his injuries or something. God, he plays stiff. Walden's head is still screwed up from the tiff w/ the GF and the lost weekend at the gray bar hotel.

Justin made a nice point that I have not been able to verify via You Tube that Jones played a lot of LOLB in college and might be more at home there, and was set back some when Clay switched to the Left in his second year.

However, JSO reminds that Jones was unavailable for a signifcant part of training camp in '10 and then got hurt twice in the regular season as well. Now he did have some starts, but if Justin is right, he might be an easier fit on the left side. It should be correctable with time, which, of course, there is none.

[Patler]

A couple posts and the coaching staff makes the move that day.

We must all learn to use the power of PackerRats wisely.

Don't give them too many ideas to implement, they've only got two weeks to prepare.

The power of the Packerrats is indeed strong. I remember a certain Rat who predicted a famous retirement shortly after the playoff loss to the Giants. Was it an act foreseen by the venerable old Rat, or an act suggested by him and received and acted on by the player ?????.....

[Lurker64]

The power of the Packerrats is indeed strong. I remember a certain Rat who predicted a famous retirement shortly after the playoff loss to the Giants. Was it an act foreseen by the venerable old Rat, or an act suggested by him and received and acted on by the player ?????.....

So we can blame you ??????

[Patler]

Justin made a nice point that I have not been able to verify via You Tube that Jones played a lot of LOLB in college and might be more at home there, and was set back some when Clay switched to the Left in his second year.

However, JSO reminds that Jones was unavailable for a signifcant part of training camp in '10 and then got hurt twice in the regular season as well. Now he did have some starts, but if Justin is right, he might be an easier fit on the left side. It should be correctable with time, which, of course, there is none.

He did play left:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL-TixzZoE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrzpNvZtt64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHbTHiGKE4A

[Guiness]

The clip of Jones's tackle can still be seen on the JSO Packer blog. It looks like the NFLs legal dept had it taken down from youtube for copyright.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html

I'm guessing the coach who made the initial hit wasn't Greene. He would've done a better job wrapping him up and Jones wouldn't of had to clean up and finish the play.

How old is Greene anyways? Shit, we might be barking up the wrong tree looking for our ROLB. Maybe he's in the building and just needs to be promoted to the active roster!

[pbmax]

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Bretsky's bikini Google news alert must have failed him since he has yet to comment but that scene looks like Jersey to me, it might just be Zombo though.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Jones was the starting ROLB in practice today. http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...136707593.html

The contest for starting ROLB is seeming eerily like the republican contest for top non-Romney. Players look like the answer, then you get to know them a little better. Last summer, So'oto and Perry were the wunderkinds, world beaters. Turns out the world won. Cain & Zombo had their 15 minutes at top of list. Then Gingrich & Walden get stronger and stronger, look like top dogs, but ugly marital problems sink their ships. Now at the 11th hour, Santorum and Jones are last men standing.

[bobblehead]

The position that we are trying to get filled is ROLB. The Right outside linebacker functions like a DE in some sets and covers in other situations. The problem we have had at that spot is contain. As an outside backer, you must turn the wide play back inside, contain the offense so your help can tackle the ball carrier. You must fight, kick, scratch, or claw your way to stay wide and turn the play on a sweep back inside. In the Chiefs game, Walden lost contain on 3 very glaring occasions. So, they benched his ass and put in Zombo. Zombo frittered away his big chance by proceeding to blow contain on two plays. This caused poor Dom Capers to tear his wig off.

We don't have a ROLB that we can trust. By we, I mean the other 10 guys on D. When that happens, it screws up your defense. Everybody starts hedging and cheating their position to try and patch the hole on the wide side. We need a JAG. A guy who will keep contain, cover properly, and maybe blitz and get home once in awhile.

It's easy if you simply do your job. My impression of Zombo is he tries too hard. Walden? A crazy ass airhead. The other guys? too green. Out of the whole lot, I'd go with Jones. Jones is never going to the Pro Bowl, but I think he knows the job. He was always in position Sunday, if not too spectacularly. Give me a guy who will be in the right spot over a guy who go maverick on ya, & take himself out of the play.

I'll post more after I watch the replay tonite.

It's cool. We've got two weeks to get it right. I know all the defensive assistants read Packer Rats. We'll be able to tell 'em what to do before the first game.

funny you say that because in the ROLB thread before the season Jones was my pick for pretty much the reasons you cite. I agree that drafting a guy would be nice (side note: this is the reason we saw so much vic so'oto against the Lions I suspect)

[bobblehead]

Well, if Dom and Company are worth their salt, they will read KY's assessment and promptly put Jonesy on the first team at ROLB and instruct him to just do his damn job and not try to freelance.

I am disappointed in Zombo, but I think KY's hit it on the head here, too: he's trying to hard to make a splash, to get his job back. He's forgotten, it seems, that the core principle is to do your job. The 3-4, or the version Dom runs, seems predicated more than most defenses on each player doing a particular job, which may not be swarming to the ball. Personally, I find it a bit frustrating to read and see that the job of the defensive line is (mostly) to take up space and eat up blockers and not get after the ball. But that's the system, so if you're in it you've got to bite your tongue and fight your urges and do your job. I guess if you're Jones or Howard Green or Ryan Pickett or AJ Hawk you just do your job so the playmakers like Woodson and Matthews can do their thing.

All D's are predicated on doing your job. This is why I don't believe in the "playmaker" theory and say it takes 11 guys doing their job and then the better ones look dominant. How dominant does clay look getting double teamed and run away from??

[mraynrand]

All D's are predicated on doing your job. This is why I don't believe in the "playmaker" theory and say it takes 11 guys doing their job and then the better ones look dominant. How dominant does clay look getting double teamed and run away from??

amazing: you deny and confirm the playmaker theory in two consecutive sentences. Double-teaming and running away from the Claymaker 1) proves that he is the force we know him to be since he is being game-planned for and 2) double teaming him will ultimately and obviously make the guys around him appear more effective, since he's reducing the effective field for the opposing offense.

[KYPack]

They may have to make this move. Jones is a steady player. He's been playing OLB in a 3-4 forever. He knows the job and understands Capers concepts. Dom flat out needs a player at that spot that he can trust. Walden and Zomb have shown that they can't be trusted.

The downside of Jones game is pretty simple. He has lots of trouble with big, physical T's. Jones big setback in his career was the play-off game at AZ. Levi Brown stoned Jones and beat him up. After a short time, Jones went into his shell and did a pretty decent imitation of the invisible man. Kevin has to watch him and keep his motor going all game (something KG is an expert at).

It's an emergency move, but WTH, we are in an emergency situation.

[pbmax]

They may have to make this move. Jones is a steady player. He's been playing OLB in a 3-4 forever. He knows the job and understands Capers concepts. Dom flat out needs a player at that spot that he can trust. Walden and Zomb have shown that they can't be trusted.

The downside of Jones game is pretty simple. He has lots of trouble with big, physical T's. Jones big setback in his career was the play-off game at AZ. Levi Brown stoned Jones and beat him up. After a short time, Jones went into his shell and did a pretty decent imitation of the invisible man. Kevin has to watch him and keep his motor going all game (something KG is an expert at).

It's an emergency move, but WTH, we are in an emergency situation.

It troubles me greatly when Levi Brown is mentioned as effective versus the Packers. He is widely regarded as a weak link at tackle around the league (his coaches know more and could disagree). But even the Packers passed on the guy when they had a need.