Cap & Trade

[Harlan Huckleby]

do backup qbs have a different franchise value than starters?

that sounds like a stupid question that really isn't so stupid. I guess the answer is "no"

[Tarlam!]

Presumably TT will talk to interested GMs before franchising. Maybe that is illegal, but I guess it happens anyway.

From what I have observed, it is usually the player's agent that broker when there is a rule prohibiting direct communication between clubs.

[gbgary]

Its too much of a risk, Matt Cassell played a whole season while Fylnn has only had a couple of great games. I might be wrong but I think hes a lot like Kevin Kolb aka a system QB.

i don't like that term...system qb. all qbs are system qbs. they can run whatever system that's put in front of them...except tebow. on the other hand only a couple of guys could run tebow's system. so...nevermind. lol

[denverYooper]

Who wants a TE that drops the ball?

Obviously Rodgers just doesn't throw it to him correctly. Flynn's in and all of the sudden Fin's a win.

[Tarlam!]

that sounds like a stupid question that really isn't so stupid. I guess the answer is "no"

No such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid answer.

[gbgary]

it's based on position. No, backups's would not have a different value than starters

No

if that's the case there's no way they'd franchise him.

[Harlan Huckleby]

No such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid answer.

no such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid questioner

[gbgary]

no such thing as a stupid question, only a stupid questioner

right. hey!!

[jdrats]

I was pondering this question during the game as well. Flynn's stock certainly has risen again. I have to imagine that TT will be looking to trade Flynn before free agency begins, but would certainly consider using the tag to force a trade, provided that Finley is wrapped up.

There is really no way they can afford to franchise him and keep him on the roster as a backup, but for what it is worth, the tag contracts are going to be cheaper this year because they are calculated differently under the new collective bargaining agreement. The QB tag will be around $14.5 million this year (versus aqbout $16 million for 2011). Regardless, if the Packers franchise him it will be because they have a trade of some kind in the works.

Perhaps more important than the draft pick, one of the biggest bonuses to finding a way to trade Flynn would be to keep him out of the division and possibly away from other NFC teams that seem to be just a player or two from being in a position to contend for a title.

[Patler]

You guys are crazy if you think TT is going to franchise Flynn.

Geez, relax. Is it likely they will franchise him? No, not at all.
Is it inconceivable? No, just very, very unlikely.

I posted the info about Cassel in a different thread when people were suggesting the franchise amount is too high, and/or that Flynn would sign the tender, resist any trade he didn't like, etc. There are things to be learned from the Cassel scenario:

It appears that the franchise for Flynn would not be significantly more than NE gave Cassel.
Cassel vastly improved his guaranteed money by renegotiating immediately. It was a big "win" for Cassel.
The principals in KC and NE knew each other well, which I believe is why it worked as it did.

I suspect the basics were worked out between KC and NE before NE gave Cassel the franchise tender. Cassel may have even approved the team if not the contract details before he signed the tender. That's why I said it probably takes a team that knows Flynn and has a relationship with TT. Seattle is the one that comes to mind that meets the criteria.

Do I think it will happen? - No.
Would I be shocked if it did? - Also No.

TT won't give him a Franchise tender without having a deal to trade him all but completed.

[red]

you have to do something to prevent him from just walking away

i think he's more valuable then kolb was, he's definitely showed more promise then kolb ever did in just 2 starts

the franchise number is really no big deal, his next team is going to pay him way more then thar anyways.

tag him, then see if seattle will give up any more than just their 1st round pick for him

[Lurker64]

you have to do something to prevent him from just walking away

Worst case scenario, and you let Flynn walk and you receive a 3rd round compensatory pick in the 2013 draft. That's not peanuts.

[bobblehead]

Its too much of a risk, Matt Cassell played a whole season while Fylnn has only had a couple of great games. I might be wrong but I think hes a lot like Kevin Kolb aka a system QB.

Ok, I stay out of the slam brando fun most of the time because you usually make decent points even if I disagree with them and you overstate them. BUT....How many "system QB's" have games like flynn had today and also the one he had against NE last season?

Drew Brees must be a system QB as well. Criticize his arm strength and its valid, but his results speak to his total package....kid has talent.

[Lurker64]

How many "system QB's" have games like flynn had today and also the one he had against NE last season?

Are Joe Namath and Y.A. Tittle "system QBs"? Since those are the only guys in NFL history to throw for 480+ and 6+ TDs, other than Matt Flynn that is.

[Patler]

you have to do something to prevent him from just walking away

i think he's more valuable then kolb was, he's definitely showed more promise then kolb ever did in just 2 starts

the franchise number is really no big deal, his next team is going to pay him way more then thar anyways.

tag him, then see if seattle will give up any more than just their 1st round pick for him

NE had to throw Vrabel in with Cassel to get a 2nd round pick in the trade. I don't think Flynn will garner more than that on his own.

Letting him "walk" is not for nothing. They would get compensation, likely high compensation because his contract will be big.