Cap & Trade

[Zool]

Those are for Restricted Free Agents. Tendering options are:

- Right of First Refusal ("RFR")
- RFR + draft pick in round player was selected in
- RFR + one second round pick
- RFR + one first round pick
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Ahh yes. Thanks

[Upnorth]

Those are for Restricted Free Agents. Tendering options are:

- Right of First Refusal ("RFR")
- RFR + draft pick in round player was selected in
- RFR + one second round pick
- RFR + one first round pick
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When I brougt up the transition tag I though this is what I was talking about. So I was wrong in two ways with one post!

[vince]

The only way this works for the Packers is if there are several teams that want Flynn. Teams then might be more willing to make a deal with the Packers instead of getting into a possible bidding war later. In my opinion, the best chance for the Packers is if Philbin gets a HC position with a team that needs a QB. He may be able to convince the front office to make a deal with the Packers.

This. That would also make it advantageous for Flynn to work out a deal with that team as he'd most likely prefer the continuity of working with Philbin or Clements if he goes elsewhere for a coordinator position (assuming Philbin stays in GB). Beyond that, it's not in Flynn's best interest to restrict his options.

[Brandon494]

No one cares about college tape after hes been in the NFL for 4 years. Cassell played a whole season and finished 11-5. Flynn put up good numbers but both teams he played had horrible pass defense. I'm not trying to take anything away from Flynn because he played a hell of a game but lets get real, the guy to me is nothing more than a more athletic Ryan Fitzgerald. At best we could get a mid 2nd, anyone thinking we could get a 1st round pick needs to lay off the kool aid. Honestly I don't think he can be a franchise QB and I believe if you take him out of his comfort zone he has with the current offense scheme hes nothing more than the next Kevin Kolb.

[Tarlam!]

No one cares about college tape after hes been in the NFL for 4 years. Cassell played a whole season and finished 11-5. Flynn put up good numbers but both teams he played had horrible pass defense. I'm not trying to take anything away from Flynn because he played a hell of a game but lets get real, the guy to me is nothing more than a more athletic Ryan Fitzgerald. At best we could get a mid 2nd, anyone thinking we could get a 1st round pick needs to lay off the kool aid. Honestly I don't think he can be a franchise QB and I believe if you take him out of his comfort zone he has with the current offense scheme hes nothing more than the next Kevin Kolb.

I agree with the draft pick assessment entirely, but I believe you are taking away from Flynn with your assessment of the player. If you take any QB out of their comfort zone they play poorly - Rodgers @ Kansas anyone?

I don't know too much about the other guys you mention, but that last drive was a thing of beauty against Detroit. I don't know if the other guys you named could do that in only their 2nd start. Rodgers took a long time IIRC before he had a come from behind win. Flynn had the players playing hard for him all game long, even though it was a garbage game with a few bragging rights goals. A sign of leadership that won't be lost on GMs around the league.

I think Flynn, given a decent OL and enough weapons, will flourish in this league. What he showed in his two starts has me believing he's not a career backup.

[King Friday]

If Flynn is willing to help the Packers, they can certainly get something reasonable for him. 2nd round pick is probably a real possibility now that Barkley is not going into the draft and the number of guys who can start from day one has been reduced. You can sit here and argue AFTER THE FACT that the Eagles didn't get much for Kolb...when in reality they got a 2nd PLUS a guy considered to be a starting caliber CB at the time of the trade. So how is it that Flynn isn't worth at least a 2nd round pick alone at this point. The kid just did something that only 2 other players have ever done...who are both in the HOF. When did Kolb accomplish something like that? Or Cassell?

You have a good half dozen teams in desperate need for a QB in a league that has radically swung toward offense. Bringing in a "name", which Flynn now has to some extent, helps put butts in the seats...which is valuable to a lot of teams not located in Green Bay. If I were a team in that situation, I'd be glad to give up only a 2nd on a guy who has proven himself to at least some extent in the league...rather than risk it on a complete unknown.

I don't think the Packers want to use the franchise on Flynn. They would rather do a sign and trade to a team that would like to snatch Flynn before he hits the free agent market. Given the current situation in the NFL, I think that is a probable scenario that could play out for Green Bay.

[Bretsky]

Flynn is going via free agency and we'll get an end of the round third

[Joemailman]

Flynn is going via free agency and we'll get an end of the round third

That's the best you can get. Have the Packers ever gotten a 3rd round comp pick? Unless Flynn were to have a Pro Bowl type year, I'm afraid we'd end up with a 4th.

[Bretsky]

That's the best you can get. Have the Packers ever gotten a 3rd round comp pick? Unless Flynn were to have a Pro Bowl type year, I'm afraid we'd end up with a 4th.

you are probably right; but it's based on the salary and performance....so we'd have a shot at a three

[Tarlam!]

If Flynn is willing to help the Packers

Is it just me? Why on earth would Flynn be motivated to help make a championship team better? For ol' times sake? "They treated me so great, I owe them"?

This is a BUSINESS. Flynn is going to a new home. You don't think he prefers his new ball club to draft a WR or RB or TE with a high 2nd rather see it go to his old club out of sentimenality? Come on! What will his new owner think of Flynn, his new coaches and teammates if he conspires to bonus his old organisation?

The olnly reprieve might be if the deal was cut before he started against Detroit. TT & M3 to Flynn's agent "We'll give your lad the start against Detroit if he agrees to the tag & trade scenario".

If TT tags him, it is a crap shoot. It could turn sour financially or image-wise. It sends a poor signal to the locker room. As I posted earlier in this thread, letting him walk now is worth more in goodwill than the tag and moving up in the draft from low 3 to mid-high two. From the talking heads, we know it forces restictions on TT cap-wise, Finley-wise, Wells-wise.

[Tarlam!]

Have the Packers ever gotten a 3rd round comp pick?

I think they got a 4th for Kampy, no? They get something this draft for for Jenkins, prolly another 4th.


From Wiki:

Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.

Kampy was injured early in 2010 season, which obviously affected his playing time and postseason.

I think it's safe to assume Flynn brings in a 3rd.

[MJZiggy]

Is it just me? Why on earth would Flynn be motivated to help make a championship team better? For ol' times sake? "They treated me so great, I owe them"?

This is a BUSINESS. Flynn is going to a new home. You don't think he prefers his new ball club to draft a WR or RB or TE with a high 2nd rather see it go to his old club out of sentimenality? Come on! What will his new owner think of Flynn, his new coaches and teammates if he conspires to bonus his old organisation?

The olnly reprieve might be if the deal was cut before he started against Detroit. TT & M3 to Flynn's agent "We'll give your lad the start against Detroit if he agrees to the tag & trade scenario".

If TT tags him, it is a crap shoot. It could turn sour financially or image-wise. It sends a poor signal to the locker room. As I posted earlier in this thread, letting him walk now is worth more in goodwill than the tag and moving up in the draft from low 3 to mid-high two. From the talking heads, we know it forces restictions on TT cap-wise, Finley-wise, Wells-wise.

Maybe quite possibly because the Packers gave him a shot, trained and developed him into a quarterback that is now ready to start. You don't think he walked into the league ready to start, do you? See Leinart for an example of how well that works. He's had four years of McCarthy's quarterback school and work with a QB who trusted his input and listened to what he talked about seeing on the field. How many backups who've never started have the opportunity to earn that kind of trust? Assuming he goes to an AFC team, there's not much to lose in making GB stronger and it is also a strong signal from his new team that they value him enough to give something up for him. There is a lot of reason for Flynn to appreciate the G&G and the hand he's been dealt. As an owner, you should know this already.

[Tarlam!]

As an owner, you should know this already.

As a part owner, I say SOD THE OTHER 31 TEAMS and THEIR FANS! I want Flynn AND my 2nd round pick!!

[ThunderDan]

Is it just me? Why on earth would Flynn be motivated to help make a championship team better? For ol' times sake? "They treated me so great, I owe them"?

Because if the Pack trades him, and it will be with Flynn's consent, Flynn will get to influence which team he goes to. In FA he will go to the "best" offer for Matt Flynn.

If Flynn doesn't consent to the tag and trade or sign and trade type of deal the Pack will let him go to FA.

[Patler]

Have the Packers ever gotten a 3rd round comp pick? Unless Flynn were to have a Pro Bowl type year, I'm afraid we'd end up with a 4th.

Packers got a 3rd in 1996 (drafted Tyrone Williams) for losing Paup, Hauk, Brock, Davey, Ed West and a couple others in 1995 while signing no one. They also had a 6th and a 7th compensatory.

and a 3rd in 1999 (drafted Cletidus Hunt) for losing Bennett, Doug Evans, Hentrich, Eugene Robinson, Aaron Taylor and Gabe Wilkins in 1998 while signing no one of significance. They also had two 4ths and a 6th compensatory.