Cap & Trade

[pbmax]

Packers got a 3rd in 1996 (drafted Tyrone Williams) for losing Paup, Hauk, Brock, Davey, Ed West and a couple others in 1995 while signing no one. They also had a 6th and a 7th compensatory.

and a 3rd in 1999 (drafted Cletidus Hunt) for losing Bennett, Doug Evans, Hentrich, Eugene Robinson, Aaron Taylor and Gabe Wilkins in 1998 while signing no one of significance. They also had two 4ths and a 6th compensatory.

A chance to salute Ed "Toolbox" West.

And to let gbbary know that Chastin "Toolbelt" West was playing for the Jags last week and caught a TD I believe. We always knew he had it in him.

[Tarlam!]

Because if the Pack trades him, and it will be with Flynn's consent, Flynn will get to influence which team he goes to. In FA he will go to the "best" offer for Matt Flynn.

If Flynn doesn't consent to the tag and trade or sign and trade type of deal the Pack will let him go to FA.

Dan, as an FA, Flynn has influence over where goes regardless of best offer. He makes a decision based on his value set. The highest offer doesn't automatically qualify him as sold. It is not an auction. As it stands, Flynn has zero incentive to get TT another pick, unless that deal was made prior to the Lions game. TT has no leverage right now. TT will only gain leverage if Flynn is offered the tender at which time, TT instantly commits cap space of 15m greatly reducing his leverage with Wells and Finley.

Things have to go awefully quickly almost clandestine for that plan to work. If he tenders Flynn, Finley hits the open market almost immediately upon learning of the tender. I do not know how loyal a Packer Finley is. He seems very much a "show-me-the-money" type personality. I see less risk with Wells, I think that guy genuinely likes it in GB. However, if he gets love from somewhere else, his price will inflate, too. This maybe his only fat paycheck coming. The chance of a homefield advantage is diminished.

This is the NFL. It's a business.

[ThunderDan]

Dan, as an FA, Flynn has influence over where goes regardless of best offer. He makes a decision based on his value set. The highest offer doesn't automatically qualify him as sold. It is not an auction. As it stands, Flynn has zero incentive to get TT another pick, unless that deal was made prior to the Lions game. TT has no leverage right now. TT will only gain leverage if Flynn is offered the tender at which time, TT instantly commits cap space of 15m greatly reducing his leverage with Wells and Finley.

Things have to go awefully quickly almost clandestine for that plan to work. If he tenders Flynn, Finley hits the open market almost immediately upon learning of the tender. I do not know how loyal a Packer Finley is. He seems very much a "show-me-the-money" type personality. I see less risk with Wells, I think that guy genuinely likes it in GB. However, if he gets love from somewhere else, his price will inflate, too. This maybe his only fat paycheck coming. The chance of a homefield advantage is diminished.

This is the NFL. It's a business.

Tarlam! certain teams that want Flynn on their squad will not get in a "bidding" war for Flynn. GMs have a limited amount of dollars to spend. Other than a few hyper aggressive FA teams most teams have a set amount they will pay at a position. Knowing exactly what you are going to pay your starting QB before he is on your team is a "large" piece of the puzzle in puting your team together.

Say you are Seattle and you really want Flynn or 1 of the top QBs in the draft. At their drafting position Luck and RGIII are gone. So they have to get Flynn. What if they are outbid or Flynn decides he's going to Miami for a lesser deal? Now as Seattle you are stuck with another season without a QB you truely want on your roster.

As per Finley, his play in 2011 has taken away the monster contract that we were all afraid of at the beginning of the year. The Packers will be able to offer him the security he wants at a "reasonable" cap number.

[pbmax]

Andrew Brandt on Flynn: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...ns.html&page=2

How much money did Matt Flynn make with his play against the Lions?

Hard to say, although Flynn's market value will be determined long after the glow of Sunday's win has worn off. And the mixed results on recent contracts given to quarterbacks with a small sample size, though larger than Flynn's – see Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kevin Kolb – will be discussed around NFL front offices. Both players were given guarantees in the $20 million range. But again, too soon to tell.

Could the Packers place the Franchise Tag on Flynn and trade him?

They could, but I doubt they will. The one-year tender offer amount of roughly $14.5 million – Aaron Rodgers is scheduled to make $8 million – would immediately become guaranteed were Flynn to sign it. In that event, the Packers would be on the hook for that amount pending a trade, giving Flynn enormous leverage with a trade and/or a new contract.

Further, the Packers have been in negotiations with tight end Jermichael Finley on a new contract, using a relatively low potential Tag number of $5.4 million on Finley as their leverage. They would certainly like to keep that option available.

Finally, the Tag is meant to "reward" players with intent to sign rather than use as a placeholder while trying to trade the player. The NFLPA is keeping a watchful eye on these scenarios.

My sense is the Packers will not use this tool to hold Flynn in place. But, as always, stay tuned.

[Bretsky]

Good stuff

Get Finley done
Then move to Wells and get him done

and with the Bullbuster staying at the UW draft next year's Brooks Reed and use the rest of the draft on defense defense defense.....and maybe Russell Wilson

[pbmax]

With Barkley and Landry Jones staying in school, Flynn's value might have ticked up a bit. Though in the case of Jones, I think one of the reasons he stayed was because the news from the DAB was that he wasn't going as high as he thought he could. So he might not have been in direct competition with Flynn for a starting gig.

Did anyone realize the Draft Advisory Board also offered advice? They apparently told Montee Ball he needed 10-15 lbs of good weight in his upper body. I had never heard they did this before. Or is he hearing this from less official circles like an agent or his college coaches connections?

[mraynrand]

Did anyone realize the Draft Advisory Board also offered advice?

They told me I'd be 4F on account of my bum knee.

[Guiness]

Just saw this on wikipedia

As of the new CBA, the franchise tag offer will be the average of the top paid player at the respective position over the last five seasons. This will actually reduce the amount that a team would need to offer a player.

Certainly a bit of a change. The amount only depends on one player now, not five, and the 'exclusive' and 'non-exclusive' designations are gone.

[Guiness]

When I brougt up the transition tag I though this is what I was talking about. So I was wrong in two ways with one post!

As my kids are fond of chanting:

You're wrong
You're wrong
You're wrong

And even when you're right, you're wrong!

Little darlings, they are.