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  • #1 SEEDS-- WHICH IS MOST LIKELY TO FALL IN THE PLAYOFFS AND WHY ?

    Curous about the views. Here is an interesting article by Brian Billick to ponder as well.

    Many might favor the Packers and Patriots heading into the playoffs, but Brian Billick writes that a closer look at the numbers reveals those teams' flaws and points to two other potential favorites.


    As Mark Twain was fond of saying, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." People can use statistics to serve whatever argument they might want to support. Coaches are the first to dismiss statistics as irrelevant to the game. They often say that the only meaningful statistic is total points scored or surrendered.

    Of course, coaches usually make such arguments in defense of poor statistical rankings in one form or another. The same coaches who scorn statistics when their teams are performing poorly will wear you out with talk of third-down conversions, yards per attempt and turnover differential when their teams are performing well in those areas.

    The question is, which stats hold the most relevance when it comes to identifying good and bad teams? Everyone says that they want to run the ball and have a balanced offense. It would be logical to assume, then, that the teams with high rushing totals would also be among the most successful. Yet, only half of the top 10 rushing teams in the NFL made the playoffs this season (Denver, Houston, New Orleans, San Francisco and Baltimore), while the worst-ranked rushing team (the New York Giants) does not seem to have suffered from its poor ranking. Every coach in the game will tell you that you must be able to stop the run, yet only six of the top 10 rushing defenses made the playoffs (San Francisco, Baltimore, Houston, Atlanta, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati).

    Everyone wants to play good defense, but consider this stunning fact: The top seeds in the AFC (New England) and NFC (Green Bay) are ranked 31st and 32nd respectively in total defense. Everyone in today's game, me especially, says you have to be explosive offensively, yet four of the five most-explosive teams (measured in gains of 20 or more yards) missed the playoffs; only New Orleans (ranked fourth) advanced to the postseason.

    Stats certainly don't tell the whole story, but they can still provide a basic indication as to what is needed to win in the NFL.

    I have ranked each playoff team's performance in the 10 most important statistical categories (rushing offense, rushing defense, passing offense, passing defense, turnover differential, explosive-play differential, offensive third-down conversion rate, defensive third-down conversion rate, and offensive and defensive red-zone efficiency). As in golf, the team with the lowest score wins.

    Playoff-team breakdown: 10 important categories
    Team Off. rush Def. rush Off. pass Def. pass TO diff. Exp. play diff. 3rd-down off. 3rd-down def. RZ off. RZ def. Total
    BAL 10 2 19 4 11 9 7 2 17 1 82
    HOU 2 4 18 3 7 6 9 14 25 9 97
    NO 6 12 1 30 21 4 1 5 6 28 114
    PIT 14 8 10 1 28 1 4 19 18 17 120
    ATL 17 6 8 20 6 11 6 29 13 8 124
    DET 29 23 4 22 4 7 20 3 4 12 128
    SF 8 1 29 16 1 12 31 11 30 4 143
    GB 27 14 3 32 2 19 3 26 3 20 149
    NE 20 17 2 31 3 27 5 28 2 21 156
    NYG 32 19 5 29 8 16 14 17 8 22 170
    CIN 19 10 20 9 17 15 18 13 26 25 172
    DEN 1 22 31 18 27 20 30 6 23 15 193
    According to this chart, the likely participants in this season's Super Bowl are the Baltimore Ravens and New Orleans Saints. Baltimore ranked highly in rushing offense (10th) and third-down conversions (seventh) and had superior rankings across the board defensively. New Orleans, as expected, dominated in so many offensive areas, particularly in the killer combo of explosive plays (fourth) and third-down conversions (fifth). The Saints do not rank in the top tier of very many defensive statistics, which just goes to show how truly dominant their offense is.

    You might raise an eyebrow upon seeing No. 1 seeds Green Bay and New England ranked so low, at No. 8 and No. 9, respectively. Even though both are offensively dominant (like New Orleans), they have defensive vulnerabilities that can be hard to overcome. Most notably, Green Bay ranks 30th and New England 32nd in giving up explosive plays. Both teams have also been terrible at getting third-down stops (26th and 28th, respectively).

    It is a shame that Houston is going through turmoil at the quarterback position. The Texans are a good team across the board, ranking particularly highly in offensive rushing (second), passing defense (third) and rushing defense (fourth). Unfortunately, they are also missing their starting and backup quarterbacks, which undermines their lofty ranking and their ability to parlay these statistics into playoff wins.

    Again, understand that these rankings are calculated using baseline statistics that might determine the probability of success, but surely can't guarantee it. Football, especially in the NFL (and even more so in the playoffs), is all about matchups. How teams match up on the field has as much to do with their chances of winning as these statistics do, but they at least provide a starting point in forecasting postseason fortunes.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

  • #2
    GB and NE really do have a lot of striking similarities

    Both have explosing offenses with top tier QB's
    Both have receiving weapons hard to defend....in NE their threats may be their two stud TE's
    Both score a ton

    Both have shitty defenses right now who are not good at their down stops

    Without turnovers both of these defenses look brutal.

    Needing a defensive stop late in the game may equal the end of their season
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    • #3
      I really don't like our chances this year...the defense is just awful at being able to get pressure on the QB, and our offense hasn't been the machine it was the first half of the season. The defense is going to have to force turnovers if we are going to repeat.
      It's such a GOOD feeling...13 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

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      • #4
        I was wondering if it was just me.......but it seems like we were peaking early to mid season and lately we're not as dominant. Perhaps it was just that our defense was better early on.

        I'll be cheering HARD for Detroit this weak. The Saints really scare me. The Giants do as well.
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
          I'll be cheering HARD for Detroit this weak. The Saints really scare me.
          Why? If Detroit wins, it either means they are better than we think, or that NO is worse than we think. Even if Detroit gets scorched, so what? NO scorches people at home and struggles on the road. If Detroit beats NO, doesn't it make them tougher to beat? They know (at least they think) they can score on us at will and they will have just beaten NO on the road. I'd much rather have NO win and have to face the Niners.
          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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          • #6
            Quote all the yardage statistics you want. The Packers are 15-1, a great accomplishment when everyone is gunning for you because you're the Champ. Bottom line is, the Packers know how to win. Opposing QB's have a 80.6 rating against the Packers, which is 9th best defensively. They just beat a playoff team without their starting quarterback, best receiver, best pass rusher, best cornerback, starting running back and and starting kick returner. Name me another team that could have done that.
            I can't run no more
            With that lawless crowd
            While the killers in high places
            Say their prayers out loud
            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
            A thundercloud
            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mraynrand View Post
              Why? If Detroit wins, it either means they are better than we think, or that NO is worse than we think. Even if Detroit gets scorched, so what? NO scorches people at home and struggles on the road. If Detroit beats NO, doesn't it make them tougher to beat? They know (at least they think) they can score on us at will and they will have just beaten NO on the road. I'd much rather have NO win and have to face the Niners.
              I feel the Saints matchup very well with us and I just think we're flat out better than Detroit and won't lose to them so I'm hoping Detroit pulls a game out of their ass and wins. I think NO beats the Niners.
              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                Quote all the yardage statistics you want. The Packers are 15-1, a great accomplishment when everyone is gunning for you because you're the Champ. Bottom line is, the Packers know how to win. Opposing QB's have a 80.6 rating against the Packers, which is 9th best defensively. They just beat a playoff team without their starting quarterback, best receiver, best pass rusher, best cornerback, starting running back and and starting kick returner. Name me another team that could have done that.
                Stop being a thread detractor........lol

                so are you saying GB will not lose and the answer is undoubtedly the Pats ?
                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                • #9
                  I can't figure out why the Pats have been starting so terribly lately. If they go down 17 or 21 to the Ravens or Steelers there will be no comeback. And with Hoody letting most of his secondary go, their DB's are just horrible and he keeps trying WR's back there. Hmmmmm.......perhaps we have a WR who could replace da Bush ?
                  TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by King Friday View Post
                    I really don't like our chances this year...the defense is just awful at being able to get pressure on the QB, and our offense hasn't been the machine it was the first half of the season. The defense is going to have to force turnovers if we are going to repeat.
                    I agree with your overall bleak outlook, I think the defense will be the culprit. Since TT has been picking OTs in the first, we haven't seen a CMIII or B.J Raji added nor has anyone(Mike Neal? ROLB?) stepped up and it's catching up to them now. Having Collins on IR doesn't help the secondary, but he's the only defensive IR casualty.

                    I completely disagree with your assessment of the offense. 16 TDs in the last 3 games speaks volumes. Only the KC game was bad. The next fewest points they scored were 24 against the Rams' 3, 25 against the Birds in weeks 5 & 6.

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                    • #11
                      I'm not impressed with the AFC right now. I think New England will win it unless Flacco shakes his Playoff Blues. Steelers are banged up. Houston doesn't have its quarterback. Denver can't pass. Cincinnati has a rookie at QB. If a #1 seed is to fall, I think it will be New England. They've lost their opening playoff game the last 2 years.
                      I can't run no more
                      With that lawless crowd
                      While the killers in high places
                      Say their prayers out loud
                      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                      A thundercloud
                      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                        I feel the Saints matchup very well with us and I just think we're flat out better than Detroit and won't lose to them so I'm hoping Detroit pulls a game out of their ass and wins. I think NO beats the Niners.
                        Beating any team 3 times is difficult. Remeber the Vikings.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                          I'm not impressed with the AFC right now. I think New England will win it unless Flacco shakes his Playoff Blues. Steelers are banged up. Houston doesn't have its quarterback. Denver can't pass. Cincinnati has a rookie at QB. If a #1 seed is to fall, I think it will be New England. They've lost their opening playoff game the last 2 years.
                          Agree...the AFC playoff teams appear weak. Not many of those teams would scare me against GB that much. Lately NE has really shown their weaknesses. If the Saints were in the AFC Green Bay would face them in the Super Bowl IMO
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                            I'm not impressed with the AFC right now. I think New England will win it unless Flacco shakes his Playoff Blues. Steelers are banged up. Houston doesn't have its quarterback. Denver can't pass. Cincinnati has a rookie at QB. If a #1 seed is to fall, I think it will be New England. They've lost their opening playoff game the last 2 years.
                            New England has the unenviable position of (barring a Cincinnati upset of Houston) facing the Steelers in their first game. Of all the teams that the Patriots match up poorly against, the Steelers are right up there (I also think the Packers match up poorly this year with the Steelers.)
                            </delurk>

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                            • #15
                              I think Cinci does upset Housten. I know they played poorly recently, but Housten isn't legit IMO.

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