Blow it up

[Deputy Nutz]

Packers don't need to retool, they need an outside linebacker that can get after the passer, they need a defensive end that isn't just a run stuffer, and they need some more able bodies in the secondary. People can bitch about Hawk and he had a down season, but there are more pressing positions to address than disrupting the defense and removing Hawk. Hawk and Bishop were very active in tonight's game and with an actual NFL caliber outside linebacker and defensive end coming into the mix, I expect the play of Hawk and Bishop to improve.

Find suitable replacements for underachieving/zero potential players like Pat Lee, Jarrett Bush, Erik Walden, Frank Zambo, and Charlie Peprah....

[Pugger]

I agree! Man, it sucks to acknowledge that packers need to retool (already) one year after a SB win & a season where it is now evident that Aaron Rodgers pretty much carried us to a 15-1 regular season record plus 0-1 in POs. Without AR we're not that far from being the Colts sans P.Manning.

I think that is a tad exaggeration. Mr. Flynn proved we can win without Mr. Rodgers. Unfortunately for us, Rodgers and the offense picked a horrible time to lay another egg and our defense couldn't cover that up. We did what the Saints did yesterday. You cannot turn the ball over in the playoffs and expect to win.

[mmmdk]

Packers don't need to retool, they need an outside linebacker that can get after the passer, they need a defensive end that isn't just a run stuffer, and they need some more able bodies in the secondary. People can bitch about Hawk and he had a down season, but there are more pressing positions to address than disrupting the defense and removing Hawk. Hawk and Bishop were very active in tonight's game and with an actual NFL caliber outside linebacker and defensive end coming into the mix, I expect the play of Hawk and Bishop to improve.

Find suitable replacements for underachieving/zero potential players like Pat Lee, Jarrett Bush, Erik Walden, Frank Zambo, and Charlie Peprah....

Won't cut it, dude! More will need to go; watch TT at works as it happens in the 2012 offseason! Retooling through draft and, dare I say it, there will be signed a pair of free agents.

My beef is with the defense, O-line and let's get a real RB.

[mmmdk]

I think that is a tad exaggeration. Mr. Flynn proved we can win without Mr. Rodgers. Unfortunately for us, Rodgers and the offense picked a horrible time to lay another egg and our defense couldn't cover that up. We did what the Saints did yesterday. You cannot turn the ball over in the playoffs and expect to win.

With AR in Indy during 2011-12 season...I think they go 12-4, maybe even more wins. He's that good!

[denverYooper]

Won't cut it, dude! More will need to go; watch TT at works as it happens in the 2012 offseason! Retooling through draft and, dare I say it, there will be signed a pair of free agents.

My beef is with the defense, O-line and let's get a real RB.

With the way the OL played tonight, the Packers should have put up 50.

[Harlan Huckleby]

15-1. Second youngest team in nfl, if memory serves. This is not a demolition job, but they do need to draft D

[Pugger]

With the way the OL played tonight, the Packers should have put up 50.

Me too. I don't know about 50 but the protection only got ugly when we got behind in the second half and the gnats could pin their ears back.

[Packers4Glory]

I agree! Man, it sucks to acknowledge that packers need to retool (already) one year after a SB win & a season where it is now evident that Aaron Rodgers pretty much carried us to a 15-1 regular season record plus 0-1 in POs. Without AR we're not that far from being the Colts sans P.Manning.

I don't think they need to retool. They have to find another pass rusher. They have to find a guy opposite of Mathews who isn't a street FA logging big minutes each week. Pickett isn't getting younger. Raji needs help up front.

They also need to get another safety in the likely event Collins is done. I haven't read much since he had surgery, but even if he's back what are the odds he's 75% of what he was? But aside from that they need a guy back there who knows the defense and can get the DB's in order. There was so much confusion back there this yr it was unreal. Guys blowing assignments all yr.


THe offense is pretty well stocked. You drafted Cliffy's replacement last yr. Newhouse will have a whole offseason of work as well. There just really isn't much need on offense, other than finding more O-line depth which I think you can do outside the draft.

The Draft needs to be defense heavy. Bring guys in all over. create some competition because a lot of these guys seemed to take their starting roles for granted and dropped off pretty badly. Bring in a bunch of draftees and that will wake them up if its possible.

Maybe its time to move Woodson to safety if Collins isn't back and you groom another young safety? IDK. Williams and shields need some push as well.

the entire defense needs a kick in the ass this offseason because you just don't win a SB w/ a 32nd ranked defense.

[Packers4Glory]

I don't really wanna hear any more BS about a "real RB". Grant finsished the yr looking like the Grant of old. However this yr MM didn't stick the run because of all the weapons he had at receiver. Plus guys like Grant were guys who got better w/ more carries. But MM was determined to split carries and neither guy ever really got a chance to get into any sort of groove.

[mmmdk]

I don't think they need to retool. They have to find another pass rusher. They have to find a guy opposite of Mathews who isn't a street FA logging big minutes each week. Pickett isn't getting younger. Raji needs help up front.

They also need to get another safety in the likely event Collins is done. I haven't read much since he had surgery, but even if he's back what are the odds he's 75% of what he was? But aside from that they need a guy back there who knows the defense and can get the DB's in order. There was so much confusion back there this yr it was unreal. Guys blowing assignments all yr.


THe offense is pretty well stocked. You drafted Cliffy's replacement last yr. Newhouse will have a whole offseason of work as well. There just really isn't much need on offense, other than finding more O-line depth which I think you can do outside the draft.

The Draft needs to be defense heavy. Bring guys in all over. create some competition because a lot of these guys seemed to take their starting roles for granted and dropped off pretty badly. Bring in a bunch of draftees and that will wake them up if its possible.

Maybe its time to move Woodson to safety if Collins isn't back and you groom another young safety? IDK. Williams and shields need some push as well.

the entire defense needs a kick in the ass this offseason because you just don't win a SB w/ a 32nd ranked defense.

I sure miss Collins too! Good post! But seriously, outside of Clay, Bishop, (Hawk?), BJ Raji, Pickett, T-Will, Shields, Chuck, Burnett and maybe Peprah (strictly as backup though)...would you ultimately keep? I don't see any other to keep on D - AT ALL!

[pbmax]

I have a bigger concern and it goes to the secondary. This is year 3 of this scheme and they are still having late communication issues. The cameras caught Woodson making a call and midway into the adjustment the G-men snapped the ball.

Losing Collins would could cause such a misunderstanding in the short term, but 15 weeks later its still cropping up. Why all the confusion in the back end? Coaching or players?

More than one team said the Packers coverage scheme was not hard to figure out. So they aren't calculating coverage angles using fractals back there. But they still can't agree on a call.

[mraynrand]

Hawk looked great doing jumping jacks in the middle of the field all night. What a great #5 pick he turned out to be


^^^^sour grapes^^^^

[mraynrand]

I have a bigger concern and it goes to the secondary. This is year 3 of this scheme and they are still having late communication issues. The cameras caught Woodson making a call and midway into the adjustment the G-men snapped the ball.

Losing Collins would could cause such a misunderstanding in the short term, but 15 weeks later its still cropping up. Why all the confusion in the back end? Coaching or players?

More than one team said the Packers coverage scheme was not hard to figure out. So they aren't calculating coverage angles using fractals back there. But they still can't agree on a call.

They did pretty well on the third down to stop the Giant's first drive. The problem is that you have guys who were trained to play man coverage - Shields, Williams, and even Woodson, trying to play a zone. They just aren't that good at it. Add Bush - lot of great effort, but no grey matter, and JAG Peprah, and it's a mess. If they can't play press coverage, they're gonna look worse. Plus Woodson is done. Can't people see that?

[pbmax]

Wells might be one of the best players on the team and is there every week. They shouldn't break the bank on him but they should make him a priority re-sign.

Usually, but he got beat stone cold twice yesterday.

The cold and running game were not the problems and its funny but somehow good run D didn't make much difference in the game.

Longer term, if there is no Clifton, is there any chance Sherrod is ready by training camp or will he simply begin working by training camp? If that is the case, do you add LT to the offseason list?

[mmmdk]

I have a bigger concern and it goes to the secondary. This is year 3 of this scheme and they are still having late communication issues. The cameras caught Woodson making a call and midway into the adjustment the G-men snapped the ball.

Losing Collins would could cause such a misunderstanding in the short term, but 15 weeks later its still cropping up. Why all the confusion in the back end? Coaching or players?

More than one team said the Packers coverage scheme was not hard to figure out. So they aren't calculating coverage angles using fractals back there. But they still can't agree on a call.

Very good Q indeed!

I think we all saw what you mentioned above but I can't give a clear cut answer to it! I guess it falls into the lap of both camps!?