Blow it up

[mraynrand]

Usually, but he got beat stone cold twice yesterday.

The cold and running game were not the problems and its funny but somehow good run D didn't make much difference in the game.

Longer term, if there is no Clifton, is there any chance Sherrod is ready by training camp or will he simply begin working by training camp? If that is the case, do you add LT to the offseason list?

They may add a tackle if it comes to them in the draft, but they could also swing Bulaga and put Outhouse in at RT until Sherrod is ready. I don't see them taking a tackle high unless a guy they love drops in their lap.

[pbmax]

They did pretty well on the third down to stop the Giant's first drive. The problem is that you have guys who were trained to play man coverage - Shields, Williams, and even Woodson, trying to play a zone. They just aren't that good at it. Add Bush - lot of great effort, but no grey matter, and JAG Peprah, and it's a mess. If they can't play press coverage, they're gonna look worse. Plus Woodson is done. Can't people see that?

I agree on Woodson, he is a safety at this point or the nickel guy. His best trait is his brain and tackling.

But in Year 3 they should be able to play a zone. Al figured it out these guys should too.

[pbmax]

Hawk looked great doing jumping jacks in the middle of the field all night. What a great #5 pick he turned out to be


^^^^sour grapes^^^^

Where was he going in his coverage of that touch down in the back of the endzone? He was in the middle of the field short (5 yard line?) and could not interfere with an endzone pass unless it was thrown through his arms. Bishop had a guy running through his zone, but Hawk could have been on the goalline, still available to help on the tackle if the ball went there and force a tougher throw than Manning had to make.

[mmmdk]

I agree on Woodson, he is a safety at this point or the nickel guy. His best trait is his brain and tackling.

But in Year 3 they should be able to play a zone. Al figured it out these guys should too.

Hmm, so can Woody even play safety? Just asking!

[mraynrand]

I agree on Woodson, he is a safety at this point or the nickel guy. His best trait is his brain and tackling.

But in Year 3 they should be able to play a zone. Al figured it out these guys should too.

I call Bullshit. Al NEVER learned zone. He just plain flat out sucked at it. This year's group changed scheme on the go because of injuries and lack of pass rush. Last years' run was man coverage heavy and they had enough pressure to make it work. Either they train zone all off season or just forget about it. Bush just can't do it, so forget about him except in an emergency.

Woodson is finished. He can barely cover the average TEs. He can't even play slot at this point without grabbing. He either guesses right or is toast.

[Brandon494]

Yea Woodson can play safety.

[mmmdk]

Yea Woodson can play safety.

Good...how do you know? 'Cos I'm on the brink of cutting ties - even with Chuck.

[pbmax]

I call Bullshit. Al NEVER learned zone. He just plain flat out sucked at it. This year's group changed scheme on the go because of injuries and lack of pass rush. Last years' run was man coverage heavy and they had enough pressure to make it work. Either they train zone all off season or just forget about it. Bush just can't do it, so forget about him except in an emergency.

Woodson is finished. He can barely cover the average TEs. He can't even play slot at this point without grabbing. He either guesses right or is toast.

Al got to play a lot of man but he also played the bail coverage in a Cover 3 and a four across zone for Sanders. I am not saying he was a master at it but he knew where to go.

[pbmax]

Good...how do you know? 'Cos I'm on the brink of cutting ties - even with Chuck.

They play a defense called Corner Oakie where he is a safety. Not exactly full time, but its not his first go around either.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

The most disappointing player on the team this year was Williams. He had the biggest drop off in performance from one year to the next. He is the biggest question mark on the defense for me.

[mraynrand]

The most disappointing player on the team this year was Williams. He had the biggest drop off in performance from one year to the next. He is the biggest question mark on the defense for me.

I'd be interested to hear the coaches talk about cause-effect in the secondary. Was it the secondary's injuries or the piss poor pass rush that led to this crapola? You look at the way things happened: Williams' shoulder, Collins out, Burnett breaking his hand/wrist, Shields' concussion. Now mix in a slippage in play by Woodson (who knows? Maybe it's because he's trying to do too much, like in 2008, or he's just frickin old), a god awful pass rush, and you take a rock solid secondary that plays press coverage very well, and you turn it into a soft coverage mush.

[Packers4Glory]

I sure miss Collins too! Good post! But seriously, outside of Clay, Bishop, (Hawk?), BJ Raji, Pickett, T-Will, Shields, Chuck, Burnett and maybe Peprah (strictly as backup though)...would you ultimately keep? I don't see any other to keep on D - AT ALL!

As it stands the only guys who should have roles and starting spots next yr are Mathews, Woodson, Raji, Williams,shields, bishop, Burnett, and pickett. The rest is open season for roles.

I'd like to have a LB that can cover a TE. TE's raped this defense all yr. I'd like to have an OLB opposite of Mathews capable of rushing the passer. He doesn't even have to be an all-pro, just a guy teams have to account for and be leary of. our OLB sucked at pretty much every phase of the game.

I like Bishop as a run stopper, but he can't cover anyone. Hawk took steps backwards this yr. I remember reading and partaking in some Hawk discussions earlier this yr, and now I'm in the fram of mind after actually paying more attention to him, that he had a bad yr.

I think our CB would be a lot better if they didn't have to cover for so long. But there was so manyblown coverages, I'm not sure anyone trusted what the safeties were gonna do.

[gbgary]

just fix the pass rush. all the blitzing hurt williams and shields. draft heavy on the d side.

[mmmdk]

They play a defense called Corner Oakie where he is a safety. Not exactly full time, but its not his first go around either.

Spot duties versus 16 plus games full time at safety is the Q here! He won't hold up! I say nickelback!

[mmmdk]

just fix the pass rush. draft heavy on the d side.

I want most of our front 7 and reserves gone.