Blow it up

[bobblehead]

And what would you change? Oter than Raji and Pickett, talent is below average on DL. oLb other than Matthews is a joke. Finley is so overrated it's a joke. I'd offer him veteran minimum with possible bonuses if he can catch a ball. Clifton needs to go, his body is just done. Kuhn...seriously? Wisconsin voted him into pro bowl, he doesn't do anything. If you argue that, seriously watch a game. DB talent after Woodson, Williams, Shields, Burnett, Collins is yuck. And seriously, wanna know why we can't win a home playoff game? Lack of talent at HB and lack of willing to run the ball. We need a top end talent at HB. So seriously, what did I mistakenly say?

ND....take a valium, and prep for the draft. We ran the ball 16 times for 81 yards (discounting ARod) in a game we were losing and turning the ball over all day. That is effective and NOT the problem. Our OL was actually damn good in run and pass. We dropped EIGHT passes. Fumbled 3 times. Gave up a bullshit hail mary because TWO DB's didn't get depth.

I don't think you will find many 3-4 teams with better DL talent than Green Bay. You're honestly complaining that we don't have dominant dbacks beyond the first 5? WHO THE FUCK DOES??

Everyone has to simply look at what happened. The team played sloppy for whatever reason. The talent is there. They did go 15-1....not with smoke and mirrors. Seriously, you would think we just came off a 3-13 season.

[bobblehead]

Won't cut it, dude! More will need to go; watch TT at works as it happens in the 2012 offseason! Retooling through draft and, dare I say it, there will be signed a pair of free agents.

My beef is with the defense, O-line and let's get a real RB.

The defense didn't lose this game. The offense did.

At the risk of blowing this thread to shit, I used to HAMMER old brett for throwing 2 picks and a fumble and then fans would complain that the D gave up too many points. The D played ok (other than that pathetic hail mary defense). Problem is they kept having to play a short field and they got worn down finally. Giants only had 20 points with 10 minutes to go (I think was the point it truly fell apart). Problem is that after the O got the ball Grant gave it RIGHT back and a worn down D just couldn't hold on anymore.

You CANNOT turn the ball over and have so many 3 and outs due to drops and win.

[bobblehead]

I sure miss Collins too! Good post! But seriously, outside of Clay, Bishop, (Hawk?), BJ Raji, Pickett, T-Will, Shields, Chuck, Burnett and maybe Peprah (strictly as backup though)...would you ultimately keep? I don't see any other to keep on D - AT ALL!

Wynn and CJ wilson are ok and still can develope. I like the midget at ILB better than hawk. Francois has developed and is serviceable. Walden was much better than the year before and is still very young. His pass rush is way better. House was an injured rookie. You sound like my wife who thinks the packers should name 24 players to the probowl every year and play the best of the AFC....it doesn't work that way except in computer games.

[3irty1]

1. The biggest need in the offseason last season was OLB and is even more vital now as Brad Jones is playing like a 7th round pick, Zombo is playing like a UFA, and Walden is playing like a midseason street FA. I think it has more to do with Raji and less to do with Jenkins but teams where protecting very differently against us last year, often keeping in a RB and a TE to blitz pickup or chip block. We need to get back to forcing our will on opposing protection schemes.

2. This is not an overreaction to question whether or not its time to make a change from Dom Capers. This season the defense was consistently miserable and not always in a players-losing-their-1-on-1's way. The theme of the 3rd down defense this season was to leave guys wide open in the middle of the field for easy completions. That has to be scheme. If its not Dom's fault, then someone else needs to pay for the consistent breakdowns in coverage.

3. The cupboard is totally bare at LT. Looks like Newhouse will be pressed into service again next year unless we can squeeze one more out of Clifton. Sherrod is a ways away from contributing, we need at least one tackle in the draft.

4. You clearly resign/tag Finley. There is a difference between having bad hands and dropping too many passes. Finley's hands aren't the issue. He had just an OK year... for an elite player. Bring him back.

5. Saying Woodson's lost it is foolish. Who had a better year for this Defense?

[pbmax]

My thought was they were playing zone BECAUSE the pass rush couldn't get home. IMHO, if you play up tight man-to-man, you had better be able to get to the QB and Green Bay couldn't all year without blitzing...and even then they couldn't always get to the QB. I think the Pack needs to somehow bolster that front four....I believe losing Jenkins hurt more than losing Collins.

I think the zone was to protect the safeties as much as the corners due to the pass rush.

[pbmax]

ND....take a valium, and prep for the draft. We ran the ball 16 times for 81 yards (discounting ARod) in a game we were losing and turning the ball over all day. That is effective and NOT the problem. Our OL was actually damn good in run and pass. We dropped EIGHT passes. Fumbled 3 times. Gave up a bullshit hail mary because TWO DB's didn't get depth.

I don't think you will find many 3-4 teams with better DL talent than Green Bay. You're honestly complaining that we don't have dominant dbacks beyond the first 5? WHO THE FUCK DOES??

Everyone has to simply look at what happened. The team played sloppy for whatever reason. The talent is there. They did go 15-1....not with smoke and mirrors. Seriously, you would think we just came off a 3-13 season.

One critique, O line was not a tire fire, but Rodgers did not often have a clean pocket or extra time without vacating it. About as good as you would expect with 2 returning starters, but not enough in this game (which I seem to keep saying over and over again).

[Packers4Glory]

I'm not counting Sherrod out next yr. He'll have an entire offseason to work which he really didn't have this yr. That's a lot of valuable coaching time lost for a rookie.

[Pugger]

I'd be interested to hear the coaches talk about cause-effect in the secondary. Was it the secondary's injuries or the piss poor pass rush that led to this crapola? You look at the way things happened: Williams' shoulder, Collins out, Burnett breaking his hand/wrist, Shields' concussion. Now mix in a slippage in play by Woodson (who knows? Maybe it's because he's trying to do too much, like in 2008, or he's just frickin old), a god awful pass rush, and you take a rock solid secondary that plays press coverage very well, and you turn it into a soft coverage mush.

^^^^

[Pugger]

ND....take a valium, and prep for the draft. We ran the ball 16 times for 81 yards (discounting ARod) in a game we were losing and turning the ball over all day. That is effective and NOT the problem. Our OL was actually damn good in run and pass. We dropped EIGHT passes. Fumbled 3 times. Gave up a bullshit hail mary because TWO DB's didn't get depth.

I don't think you will find many 3-4 teams with better DL talent than Green Bay. You're honestly complaining that we don't have dominant dbacks beyond the first 5? WHO THE FUCK DOES??

Everyone has to simply look at what happened. The team played sloppy for whatever reason. The talent is there. They did go 15-1....not with smoke and mirrors. Seriously, you would think we just came off a 3-13 season.

No shit.

[gbgary]

no need to hit the...

[ND72]

Wynn and CJ wilson are ok and still can develope. I like the midget at ILB better than hawk. Francois has developed and is serviceable. Walden was much better than the year before and is still very young. His pass rush is way better. House was an injured rookie. You sound like my wife who thinks the packers should name 24 players to the probowl every year and play the best of the AFC....it doesn't work that way except in computer games.

I was actually going to agree with you on all points until here. Did you watch any game. Wynn and Wilson are horrible. Wilson is the worse of the 2, and that ain't saying much. ryan pickett was listed as having more "makeable plays" from The scout report on espn insider sunday than Wilson had all season. Walden is ok, but considering he's the 7th best LB on the team, EH. All 3 could go, bring in rookies and we lose NOTHING in return. And when I said there is no talent past top 5...Woodson isn't young and we need a replacement who obviously isn't on the roster, tramon stepped back, Collins may never play, Burnett is learning, and shields is learning....NONE except tramon maybe are sure things.

[ND72]

1. The biggest need in the offseason last season was OLB and is even more vital now as Brad Jones is playing like a 7th round pick, Zombo is playing like a UFA, and Walden is playing like a midseason street FA. I think it has more to do with Raji and less to do with Jenkins but teams where protecting very differently against us last year, often keeping in a RB and a TE to blitz pickup or chip block. We need to get back to forcing our will on opposing protection schemes.

2. This is not an overreaction to question whether or not its time to make a change from Dom Capers. This season the defense was consistently miserable and not always in a players-losing-their-1-on-1's way. The theme of the 3rd down defense this season was to leave guys wide open in the middle of the field for easy completions. That has to be scheme. If its not Dom's fault, then someone else needs to pay for the consistent breakdowns in coverage.

3. The cupboard is totally bare at LT. Looks like Newhouse will be pressed into service again next year unless we can squeeze one more out of Clifton. Sherrod is a ways away from contributing, we need at least one tackle in the draft.

4. You clearly resign/tag Finley. There is a difference between having bad hands and dropping too many passes. Finley's hands aren't the issue. He had just an OK year... for an elite player. Bring him back.

5. Saying Woodson's lost it is foolish. Who had a better year for this Defense?

I'm honestly not worried about Sherrod if he can get healthy.

[Tarlam!]

I'm honestly not worried about Sherrod if he can get healthy.

I felt the same way about Justin Harrell.

[Pugger]

I'm not counting Sherrod out next yr. He'll have an entire offseason to work which he really didn't have this yr. That's a lot of valuable coaching time lost for a rookie.

The lockout hurt a lot of rookies and 2nd year guys. This coming offseason will be huge for these young players.

[mmmdk]

The defense didn't lose this game. The offense did.

At the risk of blowing this thread to shit, I used to HAMMER old brett for throwing 2 picks and a fumble and then fans would complain that the D gave up too many points. The D played ok (other than that pathetic hail mary defense). Problem is they kept having to play a short field and they got worn down finally. Giants only had 20 points with 10 minutes to go (I think was the point it truly fell apart). Problem is that after the O got the ball Grant gave it RIGHT back and a worn down D just couldn't hold on anymore.

You CANNOT turn the ball over and have so many 3 and outs due to drops and win.

No doubt, the O didn't do well. The D did ok at times, still gave up a hail Mary TD that deflated the Packers which put more pressure on our offense that was being outplayed & outcoached. Yet the offense has much less problems going into next season than the defense.