Capers' Accountability

[ND72]

Like someone said on Packerchatters yesterday, Capers was trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit all season.

And Bishop & Hawk didn't play at the level they did last year, so you had Matthews who was obviously trying to do more than he should, and Woodson trying to do more than he should.

[PA Pack Fan]

And Bishop & Hawk didn't play at the level they did last year, so you had Matthews who was obviously trying to do more than he should, and Woodson trying to do more than he should.

I don't think Mathews did either.

[LEWCWA]

For my money, I saw the D winning early downs consistantly sunday. 3rd and longs all day were picked up, because they play 8 man coverage with 3 man rush. Only superb rushers are going to get any pressure with a 3 man rush. Later in the game they started bringing pressure and it worked for awhile, enough to keep the pathetic offense in the game. Like anything though when the Offense gives the ball away, we kick an onside kick early in the game the D just wore down.....to blame this game on the D is ludicrous.

[LEWCWA]

Seems to me Capers played conservative all year, counting on the offense to score a bunch and the other team to make enough mistakes to win the game. That philosophy is fine in certain situations, but sometimes you just have to take the game to the other team. I feel that with the Offense being so high octane you wouldn't mind taking chances on D and really come after the other team, but it seems Capers and MM thought differently.

[ZachMN]

Nonsense?!?!?!?! MM is the Head coach and he TOLERATES this defense! Yeah he wants an aggressive defense that emphasizes takeaways at the expense of fundamentals!

Per the TMQ:

"Now about the Green Bay defense. It finished last in the league; Packers faithful said this was because Green Bay was often so far ahead that the defense faced a lot of extra snaps from teams with no chance to win, allowing opponents to pad their yardage. Against the Giants, Green Bay was behind the entire game. The "we're just cleaning up for the offense" excuse did not apply. And the defense was cover-your-eyes awful.

Jersey/A converted eight of 16 third downs. On six of the eight conversions, the Packers blitzed, which meant someone would be open. If you're going to blitz you'd better get to the quarterback, which Green Bay did only once. During the season, the Green Bay defense compensated for its yards allowed by 31 interceptions, as the Packers finished second in the NFL with plus-24 in give/take. Sunday, Green Bay was minus-three in give/take as the defense got the ball only once. Maybe emphasizing fundamentals on defense would have been a better plan for Green Bay.

TMQ supposed last week that one reason for this season's offensive stat-a-rama is that: "Today's defensive players are bored by topics like tackling fundamentals or stripping blockers so a teammate can make the play: They want to generate flashy 'SportsCenter' visuals." I cited the Packers as my example. What did the Packers' defense do versus the Giants? Tried for flashy plays instead of using fundamentals.

Game tied at 3, Hakeem Nicks caught a short pass over the middle. Packers safety Charlie Peprah had the angle for a routine wrap-up tackle. Instead he hurled himself into Nicks, trying to make Nicks fly sideways for a SportsCenter-class highlight play. Nicks bounced off the poor-form tackle attempt and went 66 yards for a touchdown. "

Make apologies for that crap- they were bad the year they lost to Arizona- they aren't allowing mega yards to just high powered offenses- they allow every team to go insane against them!! Most teams could forgo suiting up their punter against us!

PLUEEEEEEZ take off the green and gold goggles!

[Cheesehead Craig]

So, should MM have fired Capers mid-season? Or should he have trusted that the same DC who had an excellent defense last season was going to turn it around with pretty much the same cast of characters?

[woodbuck27]

So, should MM have fired Capers mid-season? Or should he have trusted that the same DC who had an excellent defense last season was going to turn it around with pretty much the same cast of characters?

Fire your Defensive Coordinator when your team is 8-0. What does 8-0 suggest to you? Given that response as you look at yourself in a mirror. Ask yourself why? are you posing this question...Uhh?

[Cheesehead Craig]

Fire your Defensive Coordinator when your team is 8-0. What does 8-0 suggest to you? Given that response as you look at yourself in a mirror. Ask yourself why? are you posing this question...Uhh?

It was in response to ZachMN's hystrics over MM and believing it was his fault how the defense was.

[woodbuck27]

Capers was trying to create something out of nothing sometimes. If we were in our base 3-4, Wilson & Wynn were horrible, and the OLB on their side either Walden, Zombo, or Jones were horrible, so there is a weakness. Tramon was not the 2010 Tramon, Woodson was trying to do more than he is able to, Burnett was essentially having his rookie season, and Peprah is a joke. If we were in any other defense, the 2-4-5, we then lacked run support, and if Bush was in he's just as bad as Peprah, so there are more weaknesses. If we truly want our defense to improve, we need to replace the a DE, OLB, and S to start with unless Collins is able to come back. Then we need to hope that Shields continues to develop, but we need another DB caues Bush, Lee, Peprah should all be gone.

That post is the way I see it. Not sure what happened to Walden this season as he was 'on fire' after arriving late last. Guessing his fire was lost to his belly. Collins was a very HUGE loss. We all felt a chill come on after that. We know now, how valuable he really was. The DC cannot have it all right or basically that way one season (last) and lose it the next. It comes down to reacting to adversity and personel changes physically OR ATTITUDINALLY. Having the men in to do the best job as a team that's possible. I always liked the Bill Bilichick method. That man is busy. He's trying to improve the Pat's every minute.

You have to work with talent or players willing to learn and work their tails off. I suspect alot of teams would certainly welcome Dom Capers as a DC and maybe he'll land a HC position and really test himself again. I see a world of pain becoming very evident very soon, somehow. . . . .
the house in bad need of repairs.


GO Ted Thompson.

[run pMc]

Solidifying the DE, OLB, and S spots will help.

I think the Giants have repeatedly proven that a good pass rush can hide a lot of secondary issues.
Pickett, Raji, and Wilson/Wynn aren't gonna give you a pass rush, and doubling or chipping Matthews is too easy.
Walden/Zombo has to give way to someone who can threaten the other edge and take some heat off Matthews.
The safeties didn't play well this year -- the miscommunication was shocking at times. Either Collins was that good or Burnett that clueless.

[Joemailman]

Seems to me Capers played conservative all year, counting on the offense to score a bunch and the other team to make enough mistakes to win the game. That philosophy is fine in certain situations, but sometimes you just have to take the game to the other team. I feel that with the Offense being so high octane you wouldn't mind taking chances on D and really come after the other team, but it seems Capers and MM thought differently.

He may have gotten conservative at times with a big lead, but overall Capers called more blitzes this year than last.

[pbmax]

Nonsense?!?!?!?! MM is the Head coach and he TOLERATES this defense! Yeah he wants an aggressive defense that emphasizes takeaways at the expense of fundamentals!

Per the TMQ:

"Now about the Green Bay defense. It finished last in the league; Packers faithful said this was because Green Bay was often so far ahead that the defense faced a lot of extra snaps from teams with no chance to win, allowing opponents to pad their yardage. Against the Giants, Green Bay was behind the entire game. The "we're just cleaning up for the offense" excuse did not apply. And the defense was cover-your-eyes awful.

Jersey/A converted eight of 16 third downs. On six of the eight conversions, the Packers blitzed, which meant someone would be open. If you're going to blitz you'd better get to the quarterback, which Green Bay did only once. During the season, the Green Bay defense compensated for its yards allowed by 31 interceptions, as the Packers finished second in the NFL with plus-24 in give/take. Sunday, Green Bay was minus-three in give/take as the defense got the ball only once. Maybe emphasizing fundamentals on defense would have been a better plan for Green Bay.

TMQ supposed last week that one reason for this season's offensive stat-a-rama is that: "Today's defensive players are bored by topics like tackling fundamentals or stripping blockers so a teammate can make the play: They want to generate flashy 'SportsCenter' visuals." I cited the Packers as my example. What did the Packers' defense do versus the Giants? Tried for flashy plays instead of using fundamentals.

Game tied at 3, Hakeem Nicks caught a short pass over the middle. Packers safety Charlie Peprah had the angle for a routine wrap-up tackle. Instead he hurled himself into Nicks, trying to make Nicks fly sideways for a SportsCenter-class highlight play. Nicks bounced off the poor-form tackle attempt and went 66 yards for a touchdown. "

Make apologies for that crap- they were bad the year they lost to Arizona- they aren't allowing mega yards to just high powered offenses- they allow every team to go insane against them!! Most teams could forgo suiting up their punter against us!

PLUEEEEEEZ take off the green and gold goggles!

I cannot take seriously any poster who puts this man's tripe on the board as authoritative.

Gregg is an idiot and I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that his 6 of 8 first down conversions versus blitzes is wrong. Because Gregg has misidentified rushers from blitzes before (4 rushers of any stripe is not a blitz, 5 or more is when you are talking about the number of people in coverage).

The other thing Gregg fails to share is what happened on the 8 stops. Because I bet they blitzed the same ratio and that would render his point moot. He also fails to share down and distance information. I would bet the 6 of 8 number is also explained by the distance to go.

He is leading you to the conclusion he wishes to make: that today's players do not play the game the right way. He is not going to give you honest analysis in the pursuit. That has been his theme all year with the Glory Boys mentions. Be careful, following Gregg's advice will lead you to go Hue Jackson with all your first round picks.

Lastly, in a long and roundabout way, Gregg has discovered another reason why Peprah is not suited to being a starter.

Why do I have the sense that every trolling poster has come out of the woodwork in the last 2 weeks?

Is this some sort of site page and click generation plan where all the nuts will blame Ted Thompson for measles (because he hasn't drafted an immunologist) and McCarthy for the death of the coffin corner punt (Slocum!) ?

[Upnorth]

I cannot take seriously any poster who puts this man's tripe on the board as authoritative.

Gregg is an idiot and I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that his 6 of 8 first down conversions versus blitzes is wrong. Because Gregg has misidentified rushers from blitzes before (4 rushers of any stripe is not a blitz, 5 or more is when you are talking about the number of people in coverage).

The other thing Gregg fails to share is what happened on the 8 stops. Because I bet they blitzed the same ratio and that would render his point moot. He also fails to share down and distance information. I would bet the 6 of 8 number is also explained by the distance to go.

He is leading you to the conclusion he wishes to make: that today's players do not play the game the right way. He is not going to give you honest analysis in the pursuit. That has been his theme all year with the Glory Boys mentions. Be careful, following Gregg's advice will lead you to go Hue Jackson with all your first round picks.

Lastly, in a long and roundabout way, Gregg has discovered another reason why Peprah is not suited to being a starter.

Why do I have the sense that every trolling poster has come out of the woodwork in the last 2 weeks?

Is this some sort of site page and click generation plan where all the nuts will blame Ted Thompson for measles (because he hasn't drafted an immunologist) and McCarthy for the death of the coffin corner punt (Slocum!) ?

It isnt Ted fault for measels, its polio.
Take it you don't agree with Eastbrook? I have always enjoyed reading his article, but more for amusement than analysis. I don't thin khe played football so misses many of the concepts. One thing I do give him lots of credit for is that he pays attention to the oline, which I think is under appreciated in todays media coverage.

[Smidgeon]

I don't think Mathews did either.

Except after the 14th or 15th game, he was second in the league in QB pressures. Sure, he didn't have the sacks, but he was asked to do a heck of a lot more than just rush the passer and still was second in the league.

Doesn't mean you're wrong. I'm not even sure I disagree. I just wanted to add that nugget to the conversation.

[Smidgeon]

I cannot take seriously any poster who puts this man's tripe on the board as authoritative.

Gregg is an idiot and I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that his 6 of 8 first down conversions versus blitzes is wrong. Because Gregg has misidentified rushers from blitzes before (4 rushers of any stripe is not a blitz, 5 or more is when you are talking about the number of people in coverage).

The other thing Gregg fails to share is what happened on the 8 stops. Because I bet they blitzed the same ratio and that would render his point moot. He also fails to share down and distance information. I would bet the 6 of 8 number is also explained by the distance to go.

He is leading you to the conclusion he wishes to make: that today's players do not play the game the right way. He is not going to give you honest analysis in the pursuit. That has been his theme all year with the Glory Boys mentions. Be careful, following Gregg's advice will lead you to go Hue Jackson with all your first round picks.

Lastly, in a long and roundabout way, Gregg has discovered another reason why Peprah is not suited to being a starter.

Why do I have the sense that every trolling poster has come out of the woodwork in the last 2 weeks?

Is this some sort of site page and click generation plan where all the nuts will blame Ted Thompson for measles (because he hasn't drafted an immunologist) and McCarthy for the death of the coffin corner punt (Slocum!) ?

You noticed that too?