Studs and Duds - Playoff Edition - One and Done

[denverYooper]

Except Hoody had fallen for it last year. I think KYPack had a great point, if it was McCarthy's request, then he wanted an extra possession to help/guard against his defense. If Slocum thought he saw something, he was very wrong. And most teams with a brain know the Packers can pull that play off and they must prepare. And if they prepare for it, then the film isn't going to reveal that weakness.

I think everything you need to know about the coaches opinion of their defense was said with Bush starting as nickel corner. Terrible tackling esp. in nickel.

Hell, they almost pulled off the onside kick late when the Giants were ready for it.

[woodbuck27]

I still am undecided on a few of MM calls last night. I am still not sure on the onside kick in the first half. I keep going back and forth on if that was the right call or not. . . . . . ThunderDan

Please allow me to help you on this one. It was the wrong call totally out to lunch amatuerish. Hard for me to believe any Packer HC would demonstrate looking so stupid. Make it or not it was 'just' stupid.

[bobblehead]

I love Rodgers, but he was a mess (by his standards) yesterday.

At no point did he seem comfortable. He started getting happy feet and turned to run whenever the opportunity arose. He rocketed passes that he didn't need to. And a lot of the drops would've been tough catches anyway. Like a pitcher, he just didn't seem to have his stuff last night. And in a sophisticated timing-based offense with many moving parts relying on pinpoint accuracy, this was a tough break.

I think the offense might sometimes get "too" sophisticated. Like a Ferrari, when things are working properly, it's art to watch. But if anything goes wrong, it can't function.

I must have watched a different game. All I kept seeing was a QB who would hit the open man only to have him drop it. Then when they failed to get open he would scramble for the first. The fumble sucked, he held the ball too long.

[bobblehead]

This ^


He missed on more than two passes. And he just couldn't make up his mind to throw. You can't tell me that our recievers were blanketed every play.

but you can tell me they weren't? He did throw and often, but we had a mountain of drops. He is responsible for turnovers, just like Grant/kuhn/Jennings. That killed us. Drops and turnovers.

[Pugger]

It sure looked like he did not trust the defense with that one. The side effect, probably unintended was that the D sure played with a bounce in their step for a few series after that. Take out the whole hail mary series and they put together 2 good quarters keeping the game close enough.

I didn't trust the defense either...

[mraynrand]

I think everything you need to know about the coaches opinion of their defense was said with Bush starting as nickel corner. Terrible tackling esp. in nickel.

good observation. Coaches traded off between coverage and tackling, assuming? Giants would run more. Got burned in both coverage and tackling after the catch.

[ThunderDan]

I still am undecided on a few of MM calls last night. I am still not sure on the onside kick in the first half. I keep going back and forth on if that was the right call or not. . . . . . ThunderDan

Please allow me to help you on this one. It was the wrong call totally out to lunch amatuerish. Hard for me to believe any Packer HC would demonstrate looking so stupid. Make it or not it was 'just' stupid.

That is how I feel about the onside kick half of the time.

[sharpe1027]

The best time to try an onside is when it is completely unexpected. The only real downside of an onside kick is field position. The upside is getting the ball yourself with great field position. If you could recover 60% of the onside kicks, would you do them?

[Smidgeon]

The best time to try an onside is when it is completely unexpected. The only real downside of an onside kick is field position. The upside is getting the ball yourself with great field position. If you could recover 60% of the onside kicks, would you do them?

Every time. But I'm not a coach either.

[sharpe1027]

Every time. But I'm not a coach either.

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/09/onside-kicks.html

The effect of surprise on the success of an onside kick is pretty big. The chart below plots success rate by WP. The less a team is expecting an onside kick, the more successful it is. When teams are expecting it, when WP is about 0.15 and below, the success rate is about 20%. But when teams aren’t expecting it, the success rate averages 60%. (There are 103 onside kicks classified as 'surprise' in the data, which results in a standard error of +/- 4.8%.)

[pbmax]

I have another dud now that I have rewatched the game.

The Packer season ticket holders who sold their tickets to Giant fans. You can clearly hear the "Cruz" cheer every time he caught a pass. That should never happen at Lambeau.

There are enough season ticket holders who would actually go to the game who didn't get picked in the ticket lottery. Season ticket holders who sell playoff tickets should be removed from future consideration for postseason tickets.

Agree. They shouldn't have a lottery for those playoff tickets. Should need to wait outside the stadium for a couple nights to get them.

[pbmax]

good observation. Coaches traded off between coverage and tackling, assuming? Giants would run more. Got burned in both coverage and tackling after the catch.

I saw him and thought something happened to Shields in warmups (like Clifton some time ago I think). But Aikman was right on it and I take it as correct because it lined up perfectly with Capers statements about Woodson at safety in nickel. I generally don't mind Aikman, if they paired him with someone other than Buck, he would be a decent listen.

[Fred's Slacks]

I am suprised at all the complaining about the onside kick. I thought it was a great move. I had no confidence in our defense slowing anyone down between the 20s. So give em a short field and see if we can hold them to 3. At worst, its a shorter series for our D saving their legs and giving our O a little more time of posession. As it turns out, the defense held and we blocked the kick so not only was it a short series, but it resulted in no points and good field position for our offense.

What are we complaining about again?

[Iron Mike]

What are we complaining about again?

Fire Campen!!!!

[mraynrand]

What are we complaining about again?

losing. losing after being *ucking 15-1. Losing with homefield advantage. losing with one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL playing like *ucking dog*hit. Generally complaining because the *ucking worthless *oddamn *ucking season went up in *ucking smoke.