what if...

[denverYooper]

I would agree Denver & Skinbasket...he wasnt' Reggie White...or Sean Jones for that fact, but he was very good for what we had. He did give us a pass rush or at least a push we needed and missed this year though.

I agree that he had to be accounted for by the opposition, which is more than can be said for most of the others they had. I'd like to see him back because I personally liked him but I think that even if they kiss and make up they need to grab someone in the draft and/or have a backup plan in case he gets injured.

[King Friday]

Some of you act as if Jenkins is equivalent to an impact player.

He is not.

The real key to having him around last year was DEPTH. The rotation on the DL helped keep everyone fresh. This year, our DL depth was pathetic and it showed. We don't need to bring Jenkins back...just get some young kids with ABILITY who are also HEALTHY, unlike most of the DL dopes we've had around here lately.

[Bretsky]

Some of you act as if Jenkins is equivalent to an impact player.

He is not.

The real key to having him around last year was DEPTH. The rotation on the DL helped keep everyone fresh. This year, our DL depth was pathetic and it showed. We don't need to bring Jenkins back...just get some young kids with ABILITY who are also HEALTHY, unlike most of the DL dopes we've had around here lately.

Maybe not an "impact" player, but he has starter talent and made those around him better when he played
It's tough to say that about the J.A.G.S. we had replace him. We had too many of those "he's a good last guy in the rotation" guys

[Tarlam!]

This is a weird discussion. What is the definition of an impact player? When healthy, Jenkins made an impact. But he missed 5 games in the SB XLV season, you know, the team that only won 10 games in the season.

I don't think it is accurate to hold his first 4 perormances as an Eagle as a measurement of his ability. New DC, new positions coach, new team, no real off season. Yet I am surprised to see posters question TT's decision to let Jenkins walk.



PS: ESPN is running with the rumour also. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...n-jenkins-back

[woodbuck27]

I would like to see Jenkins back, but I don't think either side (TT and Jenkins) want to be back.

The loss of Cullen Jenkins certainly had a negative impact on this years team. That was too obvious. We must not look at this season based in that one and out playoff game in terms related to OUR team roster; when our team was just out and out whooped by a better team on that day. We went one and out in the playoffs because we did not see our team get that state of urgency it needed to be prepared to defeat the GIANTS.

We had the GIANTS back ay Lambeau Field. Just that fact should have done it for every player on the team. Why that is the case has to be obvious to every member here. This GIANTS team was representing a franchise about as old as ours and wanting all the GLORY the PACKER franchise holds.

If anyone here cannot see clearly that the blame has to be shared among all in the Packer organization outside of the players they are not in touch with reality. OUR team had a healthy roster ready to play the GIANTS in a must win game.The embarassment of a loss had to be obvious.The very real possibility of a loss had to be on every Packer player and Coach and Ted Thompsons mind that we could lose was a very real possibility. now if Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy and their team od coachs was sincerely sure that they had that roster set to defeat the GIANTS they are in denial or a cast of liars.

MM is seen on TV the day after that loss telling Packwer nation that he felt that his team was properly prepared for the GIANT game. What did he do to prepare Jordy Nelson and James Jones and Donald Driver to move over for Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley ...uhh...think.

There is over the top too much evidence to point to the fact that OUR team was not prepared for these playoffs. To get into discussions like this or..... RE: any Cullen Jenkins issue.... is simply irrelevant. If you imagine it is then here is the answer and try to understand it and please move forward to the real issue (s):

Would he (Cullen Jenkins) consider a return engagement in Green Bay if the opportunity arose?

"I'm going to stay away from even commenting on that one," Jenkins replied. "You kind of move on. Right now, I'm an Eagle, and that's my mindset. I'm going to continue to be an Eagle until they don't want me to be an Eagle anymore. That's my main focus right now. I'm not worried about any of the other ifs, ands or buts."
Any lingering personal regrets aside, it's really hard to imagine the Eagles deciding to part ways with Jenkins, who was one of their best and most consistent defensive players this season, and a rare voice of leadership in the locker room. Jenkins' coaches loved him. His teammates loved him. And he played extremely well.

You never know what kind of decisions are going to be made once it comes time to fit new players under the salary cap or commit long-term dollars to young stars like LeSean McCoy or even, I guess, DeSean Jackson. But if the Packers want Jenkins back, my guess is they're out of luck. The Eagles might have some regrets of their own from last offseason, but signing Jenkins isn't one of them. **

**end of quote (my keyboard has forgotten English overnight ...hahaaha)


I am not attempting to insight a war with all those of you who imagine that Ted Thompson is really something truly special. That his Head Coach choice is something less than a future legend in the annals of Packer history. Head Coachs and in my fifty plus years drawn in for a comparison...thinking.

MM is.... at the top tier of Head Coachs..... because we have seen some really bad Packer teams in the 1970-90 era.

To get right down to it. It has only a little to do with Cullen Jenkins not in Green and Gold. This team went 15-1 during the 2011 season. Did that fact go to the players heads ......or to the players and MMs heads..... or to the players and MMs and TTs heads.......thinking.

We were doomed to fail. Too much pointed that out too clearly. OUR defense played really small and soft D. That defense was not going to suddenly materialize into a Super Bowl caliber defense. We had a better roster than the one that finished the season 15-1 and we were in real trouble with the GIANTS coming to Lambeau Field. That was all the motivation the entire packer organization needed to gear up for and deal with...overcome.

My position is somehow defeat the GIANTS and how much motivation should that have taken.....think.

Like all of you i watched that game and down 10 points we came out and dominated that third quarter. The result three lousy points and then the GIANTS decided it was their game to lose. OUR DEFENSE ... no ... defense ....fulfilled its promise ... not much. MM called a terrible game. Overall he was vastly outcoached and as usual MM got stuck in his panic fear state. Mike McCarthy is not the answer to coach our team. TC is coaching 100% of the time. MM thinks he has his team prepared that nothing before that game warned otherwise. Well what was his mindset during that game. Did he react as he might have to how flat we came out of the gate? Did he utilize all his offensive weapons?

Look at film of Tom Coughlan. Study his style of coaching his team Vs the style of MM. Listen to each talk as often as you can and be honest. Which man is more impressive....think.

Be honest with yourself. If you could trade MM for TC would you refuse that gift...and therein lies your answer or at least a part of it, as to why we went one and out this season. Why as Green Bay Packer fans we along with OUR team suffer such embarassment.

PLEASE get REAL. Thanks for your time. (-:

GO PACKERS!

[denverYooper]

While you're likely right that Cullen Jenkins wouldn't have helped win the game last weekend, I disagree with the main point of your dissertation that M3 is a bad coach.

[Pugger]

The HC of a 15-2 team that won 29 of the last 37 games and whose team is the reigning Super Bowl Champs is a bad coach? Ookaaay...

[Joemailman]

TT and MM leading the Packers to a Super Bowl and then going 15-1 was a traumatic thing for Woody after the things he said about them in the past. This loss is sort of a temporary reprieve for him.

[denverYooper]

TT and MM leading the Packers to a Super Bowl and then going 15-1 was a traumatic thing for Woody after the things he said about them in the past. This loss is sort of a temporary reprieve for him.

It'll be too bad after they reload the defense and win the next 2.

[ND72]

The thing to remember about Jenkins this year is he was playing a true DT position in a 4-3 defense instead of the DE position in a 3-4 defense. responsiblities are different, and the Eagles defense was just weird all season, but Jenkins was more consistent than most on that team.

[Smidgeon]

It'll be too bad after they reload the defense and win the next 3.

Fixed.

[Upnorth]

Woodbuck posed an interesting question. MM or Tom Coughlin (I think). I for one would pick MM as Tom Coughlin's teams are very hot and cold. I also think our team did not respond well to setbacks such as drops and short KO's not being recovered.
If we can get a bit better pass rush we stop a few more third down attempts and we win the game.
Regarding Jenkins, I don't think he is a world beater, but he is substantially the the rest of our Dline. Having him back allows us to draft a pass rushing olb opposite Mathews. This would give more difficult assignments to opposing olines and improve our chance of someone getting home. Jenkins by himself is not great, but is another piece of the puzzle.

[SkinBasket]

PLEASE get REAL.

I'll get real when you get anywhere near concise.

[Zool]

Maybe, just maybe, its really fucking hard to win 2 superbowls in a row. It's possible that other teams field pro football players and are capable of winning any game they play if they play well.

Maybe

[Smidgeon]

Maybe, just maybe, its really fucking hard to win 2 superbowls in a row. It's possible that other teams field pro football players and are capable of winning any game they play if they play well.

Maybe

I don't know. That sounds like some serious speculation.