what if...

[denverYooper]

Maybe, just maybe, its really fucking hard to win 2 superbowls in a row. It's possible that other teams field pro football players and are capable of winning any game they play if they play well.

Maybe

It's apparently very hard to do without cheating and with the salary cap. 97-98 Broncos had some creative accounting going on and everyone knows about the early 2K Pats...

It seems to me that the management of this team has put together a structure and culture that might make it happen. If they can get the defense reloaded they'll be dominant.

[Upnorth]

Maybe, just maybe, its really fucking hard to win 2 superbowls in a row. It's possible that other teams field pro football players and are capable of winning any game they play if they play well.

Maybe

But but but, I don't cheer for them! What gives them the right!

[woodbuck27]

TT and MM leading the Packers to a Super Bowl and then going 15-1 was a traumatic thing for Woody after the things he said about them in the past. This loss is sort of a temporary reprieve for him.

Nope there are certain fundamentle facts in LIFE. ie People are what they are.

Look at the way MM handled his troops in the 2007 season playoff's last game loss to the Giants. How did he prepare OUR team for that loss/

Now look at what he did to prepare us for this back to back playoff loss to that samr organization. 2007 to 2011. Have I changed alot? NO!

Has MM changed alot? NO ! He's on the record as saying he did NOT see this last loss coming. Is his mind in some cloud? As our HC he must demonstrate a dynamic response to any action or choose a correct reaction. How can any Packer fan with a keen sense of reality and not wearing blinders NOT see the likelyhood of this loss on Jan. 15, 2012 ? A loss was written all over this matchup and that result should surprize noone who's even been paying marginal attention to our team. MM was surprized that we lost!? His team came out of the gate flat. MM watched his teams offense spit and sputter. He had enough weapons to go in a different direction and he failed to go there. He did not utilize his options. He froze up. He was flat out out coached by Tom Coughlan again. That cannot be disputed by anyone but the most 'in denial' Packer fan.

MM couldn't see this developing. This loss. Right there you have your answer to this man's sense of urgency. Throughout that loss you could see plenty of evidence of MM's sense of common sense and urgency under fire. MM may have been blocking it all out? That doesn't mean I have to go there as a fan.

This is my football team as fan. I deserved more as a Packer fan than MM gave to me last Sunday.

If that ...my observation and report upsets anyone at Packerrats so be it.

[Bossman641]

Nope there are certain fundamentle facts in LIFE. ie People are what they are.

Look at the way MM handled his troops in the 2007 season playoff's last game loss to the Giants. How did he prepare OUR team for that loss/

Now look at what he did to prepare us for this back to back playoff loss to that samr organization. 2007 to 2011. Have I changed alot? NO!

Has MM changed alot? NO ! He's on the record as saying he did NOT see this last loss coming. Is his mind in some cloud? As our HC he must demonstrate a dynamic response to any action or choose a correct reaction. How can any Packer fan with a keen sense of reality and not wearing blinders NOT see the likelyhood of this loss on Jan. 15, 2012 ? A loss was written all over this matchup and that result should surprize noone who's even been paying marginal attention to our team. MM was surprized that we lost!? His team came out of the gate flat. MM watched his teams offense spit and sputter. He had enough weapons to go in a different direction and he failed to go there. He did not utilize his options. He froze up. He was flat out out coached by Tom Coughlan again. That cannot be disputed by anyone but the most 'in denial' Packer fan.

MM couldn't see this developing. This loss. Right there you have your answer to this man's sense of urgency. Throughout that loss you could see plenty of evidence of MM's sense of common sense and urgency under fire. MM may have been blocking it all out? That doesn't mean I have to go there as a fan.

This is my football team as fan. I deserved more as a Packer fan than MM gave to me last Sunday.

If that ...my observation and report upsets anyone at Packerrats so be it.

Are you serious? What coach would "see" losses coming, and even if they did, who would admit it? Coaches are all about maintaining positive thinking. He would lose half the team by admitting he saw a loss coming and didn't have faith in the team.

[pbmax]

I am reminded of something someone once said on the internet:

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." - Winston Churchill


Woodbuck, you cannot lay your observations about the team's state of mind on the coach and then ignore the rest of what he has accomplished. If you are going to stand by the accuracy of your observation (which I find questionable), then you need to apply it across the board. Did he not demonstrate the ability to lead last year? Do you think this ability has simply deserted him?

You claim the roster is superior but nowhere do you dissect the Giants roster. You claim the organization should have seen the Giants as more of a threat (which mitigates your point about the superiority of the Packers roster), but nowhere do you consider the possibility that they could win. You make the contradictory leap from the Giants are a threat to "losing to the Giants is a sign of unfitness for the job". You cannot look at two losses and pronounce someone unfit to lead a team. You are not looking for truth, you are looking for a scapegoat.

Here is a short list of playoff coaches who have lost big games in the playoffs, most of them even lost twice to the same team and coach:

Tom Coughlin
Bill Belicheck
Bill Cowher
Bill Parcells
Bill Walsh
Joe Gibbs
Mike Holmgren
George Seifert
Chuck Noll
John Madden
Tom Flores

That playoff showing does not demonstrate McCarthy's unfitness for his job. It demonstrates that a very good defense, that can generate a pass rush with 4 lineman and have CBs who can play man to man across the field (or zone with speedy LBs like the Bears) can give McCarthy's offense fits.

Of course, they give most offenses fits.

And lastly, if Jennings had had one more game to get his timing back with Rodgers, if Clifton and Bulaga had had one more game to knock the rust off, if Starks had been able to play versus the Lions, then we would be having a very different conversation. Sometimes health is not what it is cracked up to be. Wounded and hot are a better prescription these days.