Brady vs Starr

[King Friday]

The fag might have as many SB rings as Montana and Bradshaw tomorrow, so maybe more QBs need to wear Uggs and like rainbows.

[woodbuck27]

At the end of this day will Tom Brady be looking forward to the design of his fourth Super Bowl ring? 52% of yahoo users say he will. What he or they think will be decided by the GIANTS. The answer to that question of Starr or Brady will be Starr here. How much will bias and the Packer homer status play out in that responce? I watched Starr play QB. I've watched Brady. Who is the superior QB? I don't know because they come from such different era's.

[sheepshead]

Being objective as I can I would give the nod to Brady. A bit more athleticism, just a bit. So far Montana is the best QB I have ever personally seen play. Rodgers has the makings where you see a little of Payton Manning, Montana and Aikman in him.

[Patler]

Being objective as I can I would give the nod to Brady. A bit more athleticism, just a bit. So far Montana is the best QB I have ever personally seen play. Rodgers has the makings where you see a little of Payton Manning, Montana and Aikman in him.

Brady, more athletic? Having watched both, I don't see it. Brady is a lot bigger, that's all.

[MadtownPacker]

The fag might have as many SB rings as Montana and Bradshaw tomorrow, so maybe more QBs need to wear Uggs and like rainbows.

Honestly comparing to Montana is great but when bradshaw is brought into the conversation I have to say Im not very impressed that he has four rings.

[woodbuck27]

The fag might have as many SB rings as Montana and Bradshaw tomorrow, so maybe more QBs need to wear Uggs and like rainbows.

ahh....


Brady dated actress Bridget Moynahan from 2004 until late 2006.[63] On February 18, 2007, Moynahan confirmed to People magazine that she was more than three months pregnant with her and Brady's child.[63][64] Brady and Moynahan ended their relationship sometime in early December 2006, around the time Moynahan became pregnant.[65] Brady was present when the baby, John Edward Thomas Moynahan,[66] was born on August 22, 2007 at Saint John's Health Center in Santa Monica.[67] The baby has Brady's first and middle names as middle names, though in reverse order (Moynahan's father's first name is Edward, however).

Tom Brady married Brazilian supermodel Gisele Bündchen on February 26, 2009 in an intimate Catholic ceremony in Santa Monica, California.[68][69] On June 19, 2009, reports surfaced that Bündchen was pregnant.[70] On September 11, 2009, Brady confirmed to ESPN that they were indeed expecting, and that Bündchen was due in December 2009.[71] On December 8, 2009, Bündchen gave birth to the couple's first child together, a son.[72] On December 18, 2009, Bündchen posted a message on her website indicating that their son's name is Benjamin.[73] In the April 2010 issue of Vogue magazine, Bündchen confirmed that his name is Benjamin Rein Brady and that his middle name is a shortened version of her father's name Reinoldo.[74] They christened their 6-month-old son Benjamin in Santa Monica on June 22, 2010.[10]

[woodbuck27]

Tom BRADY RECORDS:

NFL records

Wins

• Fewest starts to achieve 100 regular-season wins as a starter (131 starts)
• Most wins with one head coach (124, Bill Belichick).[78]
• Most consecutive wins, postseason: 10 (2001, 2003, 2004, 2005)
• Most consecutive wins, regular season and postseason: 21 (2003–2004)
• Most consecutive wins in regular-season home games: 31 (2006–2011)
• Most seasons finishing 8–0 at home: 5 (2003, 2004, 2007, 2009, 2010)
• Only quarterback to start and win 3 Super Bowls before his 28th birthday

Touchdowns

• Most passing touchdowns, regular season: 50 (2007)
• Most passing touchdowns, regular season and postseason combined: 56 (2007)
• Most touchdown passes, month: 20 (October 2007)
• Most passing touchdowns, quarter: 5 (second quarter vs. Tennessee, October 18, 2009)
• Largest touchdown to interception differential: +42 (2007)
• Highest touchdown to interception ratio, season: 9.0 to 1 (36 TD/4 INT, 2010)
• Highest touchdown pass–interception ratio, career: 2.52-1 (260 TD/103 INT)
• Most games with 3+ touchdown passes, regular season: 12 (2007)
• Most consecutive games with 5+ touchdown passes: 2 (2007) (tied with Daunte Culpepper)
• Most consecutive games with 3+ touchdown passes: 10 (2007)
• Most consecutive games with 2+ touchdown passes: 13 (tied with Peyton Manning)
• Most consecutive games with 2+ touchdown passes and no interceptions: 9 (2010, October 24 – 2011, September 12)
• Most games with 1 touchdown pass and no interceptions, season: 14 (2010)
• Most games with 2 touchdown passes and no interceptions, season: 11 (2010)
• Most games with 3 touchdown passes and no interceptions, season: 8 (2007)
• Most games with 4 touchdown passes and no interceptions, season: 5 (2007)
• Most games with 4 touchdown passes and no interceptions, career: 12 – tied with Brett Favre
• Most games with 5 touchdown passes and no interceptions, season: 3 (2007)
• Most games with 5 touchdown passes and no interceptions, career: 4 – tied with Peyton Manning
• Most games with 6 touchdown passes and no interceptions, career 2 – tied with Peyton Manning

Completions

• Highest single-game completion percentage, postseason: 92.9% (vs. Jacksonville, January 12, 2008)[79]
• Most completions in a Super Bowl: 32 - tied with Drew Brees (XXXVIII)
• Most career Super Bowl completions: 100 (XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLII)
• Largest completion–interception ratio, season: 81.0-1 (324-4) (minimum 150 completions), 2010
• Most games with 20 completions and no interceptions, season: 10 (2007)
• Most games with 30 completions and no interceptions, career: 9 – tied with Drew Brees
• Most games with 30 completions and no interceptions, season: 5 (2007)
• Most games with 50 pass attempts and no interceptions, career: 3

Yards

• Largest passing yards–interception ratio, career: 337.3-1 (34,744-103) (minimum 20,000 passing yards)
• Largest passing yards–interception ratio, season: 975.0-1 (3,900-4) (minimum 2,000 passing yards), 2010
• Most games with 300 yards passing and no interceptions, season: 8 (2007)

Interception-free streaks and interception percentage

• Most consecutive pass attempts to start a career without an interception: 162 (2000–2001)
• Most consecutive pass attempts without an interception, regular season: 358 (2010, October 24 – 2011, September 12)
• Third-lowest interception percentage (interceptions per attempt), career: 2.19% (Aaron Rodgers ranks first @ 1.99%; Neil O'Donnell is second @ 2.11%)

Personal bests

Excluding the list of NFL records above:

• Highest single-game quarterback rating: 158.3 (at Miami, October 21, 2007 and at Detroit, November 25, 2010) Perfect Rating
• Highest single-season quarterback rating: 117.2 (2007) 3rd highest all-time
• Most passing touchdowns, game: 6 (at Miami, October 21, 2007 and vs. Tennessee, October 18, 2009)
• Most passing yards, game: 517 (at Miami, September 12, 2011)
• Most passing yards, season: 5,235 (2011) 2nd highest all-time
• Lowest interception total, season (minimum 2 starts): 4 (2010)
• Most consecutive games with 1+ touchdown passes: 29 (2010–present) 5th all-time
• Most consecutive uninterrupted games with 1+ touchdown passes: 29 (2010–present) 2nd all-time
• Most consecutive playoff games with 1+ touchdown passes: 17 (2002–present) 2nd all-time

21-game win streak statistics (including post-season)

• 690 passes attempted
• 412 passes completed
• 4,953 passing yards
• 34 passing touchdowns
• 13 passes intercepted
• 20.29 passing attempts per touchdown
• 53.07 passing attempts per interception
• 59.71 completion rate
• 90.3 passer rating

Career

• 124–35 (.780) (regular season), 138–40 (.775) (career) as a starter
• 8–1 (career) in overtime games
• 37–7 (career) vs. NFC teams
• 33 game-winning drives after a Patriots' fourth-quarter tie or deficit[80]

Post-season records and statistics

• NFL record for most consecutive wins in post season: 10 (broke record of Green Bay's Bart Starr).
• Most consecutive post season wins (college and professional combined): 12
• 3 Super Bowl victories
• 2 Super Bowl MVP awards
• Most completions in a Super Bowl (32 in Super Bowl XXXVIII)
• Most career Super Bowl completions (100 in four games)
• Highest completion percentage in a single game, minimum 20 attempts (26 of 28, 92.9%, against Jacksonville in 2007 AFC Divisional round)[81]
• Most touchdowns passes in a playoff game(tied with Steve Young & Daryle Lamonica): 6, January 14, 2012
• Most touchdowns passes in a playoff game half: 5, January 14, 2012

[TravisWilliams23]

Bart Starr, 5-1 in title games.
Tom Brady, 3-2 in title games.
Nuff said.

[MadtownPacker]

He cries whenever he is touched and gets rattled once he is hit.

Never used "this" before and it will be the last time so here goes.....

This!

[Iron Mike]

Bart Starr, 5-1 in title games.
Tom Brady, 3-2 in title games,with 3 wins coming as a result of his team taping the opposing teams' defensive signals.
Nuff said.

Fixed.

[Patler]

For all the greatness everyone finds in Brady, he won his Super Bowls when the team around him needed him less. Now, when he is the key to their success, he has taken early exits from the playoffs and has come up short in his last two Super Bowl appearances.

The three-peat engineered by Starr came as the team around him deteriorated and needed him the most. He was a piece of the puzzle in the early '60s, but was the unquestioned cornerstone for the last three championships. When they needed him the most, Starr came through.

[swede]

Honestly, watching Aaron has given me a new appreciation for Brady. He is a fine quarterback. One of the best. Not that I like him.

[Pugger]

For all the greatness everyone finds in Brady, he won his Super Bowls when the team around him needed him less. Now, when he is the key to their success, he has taken early exits from the playoffs and has come up short in his last two Super Bowl appearances.

The three-peat engineered by Starr came as the team around him deteriorated and needed him the most. He was a piece of the puzzle in the early '60s, but was the unquestioned cornerstone for the last three championships. When they needed him the most, Starr came through.

this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pbmax]

I can see discounting Brady's first Super Bowl win as he was mainly along for the ride. But he was MVP of another while the major talent on his team was on the defensive side of the ball. He was the best O player they had for 2 Super Bowl wins (maybe 3), unless we are going to argue that Deion Branch or Troy Brown were once in a generation WRs. Now, that doesn't make him the best QB ever, but it makes him pretty good. Elway couldn't deliver until he had a better team around him, so I think this argument can be stretched to fit almost anyone and does not ultimately reflect accurately on the overall talents of the QBs.

Starr is definitely underrated by everyone except Cold Hard Football Facts and Packer fans.

The cheating thing might be more telling.

But one thing I do know: while everyone talks about the Giants pass rush, what makes that defense so good is the secondary. A lot of teams can pressure the QB, but those guys can cover. They did it to the Packers and to the Patriots. Which leads me to believe that I have underestimated Alex Smith.

[Patler]

It's not about being the MVP in a specific game or having played well in specific games, it's delivering after you have become the focus of your team on offense. Brady was a good, but not yet great QB in 2003, 2004. He was not particularly accurate, and statistically he was well off the league leaders. A solid member of that big middle tier of QBs that always exists. There was still a lot of debate at that time about how good he really was, and questions about if the team around him really made him. The same questions were raised about Starr in the early '60s. The team's success stemmed from much more than Brady, just as the Packers' did from much more than Starr in the early '60s.

It was after those two Super Bowls that Brady emerged as a leading passer, and the Patriots came to rely on him more and more. The same happened with the Packers beginning iin the mid '60s.

I'm not saying Brady isn't a good QB, he obviously is. Maybe one of the better ones of all time. But this thread asks us to compare Brady and Starr. In that regard, Brady's lackluster playoff performances in years when he has been the focus of the team, is an important consideration.

When we talk about bests of all times, I think of athletes who delivered in important situations when opponents knew that the key to stop their teams was to stop them. Brady does not compare to Starr in that regard, or to Montana.