Former Jets, Pats RB Martin headlines Hall's Class of 2012

[Patler]

Haley just played DE while Green was mainly at OLB, right ? If so an OLB often racks up more sacks. I remember Haley being dominant; I read about how coaches feared his impact and game planned how to contain him with doubleteams. He was an absolute jerk....won't deny that. He may have tunred it on and off. But IMO he was dominant.

I always liked Keven Greene the player. But he really didn't scare me that much. When I thnk of dominating OLB's I think Derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor. Talent wise I think Green is a strong notch below them.

Is Haley a strong notch below some of the recent DL who have been inducted ?

Haley was a LOLB in San Francisco, primarily an RDE in Dallas.

Bruce Smith was an RDE - 200 sacks
Reggie White was an LDE - 198 sacks
Kevin Greene - LOLB - 160 sacks
Chris Doleman was an RDE - 150.5 sacks
Michael Strahan - LDE - 141.5 sacks
Jason Taylor - RDE - 139.5 sacks
Richard Dent - RDE - 137.5 sacks
Lawrence Taylor - ROLB - 132.5 sacks
Leslie O'Neal - RDE mostly/ROLB - 132.5 sacks
Ricky Jackson - LOLB mostley - 128 sacks
Derrick Thomas - ROLB/LOLB - 126.5 sacks
Simeon Rice - RDE - 122 sacks
Clyde Simmons - RDE - 121.5 sacks
Sean Jones - RDE - 113 sacks
John Abraham - RDE - 112
Greg Townsend - all over - 109.5
Other DEs with 100 or more - Trace Armstrong, Neil Smith, Kevin Carter, Dwight Freeney, William Fuller
Other LBs with 100 or more - Pat Swilling, Andre Tippet

Jim Jeffcoat, who was Haley's team mate in Dallas, played RDE before Haley came, then swithced to LDE. Ended his career with 102.5 sacks. In the eight years he started at RDE before Haley came, he had 68 sacks. In the next 5 years at RDE, Haley had 33 sacks.

Special mention for Jared Allen - RDE - who in just 8 seasons already has 105 sacks.

An awful lot of DE's on that list, and many of them played at about the same time as Haley (Smith, White, Doleman, Dent, O'Neal, Simmons, Jones, Townsend, Armstrong, Smith, Jeffcoat, Fuller). My impressions of Haley was a guy with immense ability who didn't really get the most out of it.. His best seasons for sacks - 16.0, 12.5, 12.0, 11.5, 10.5, 10.5, 7.0. They make a big deal about his 5 Super Bowl rings, as if he was the primary factor in getting them. Marv Flemming has 4 Super Bowl rings, maybe he should get more consideration for the Hall.

Dexter Manley was an RDE, played 143 games and ended his career with 97.5 sacks. Haley got three more sacks in 169 games. Manley was a good player, a strong pass rusher. Haley was a good player, a strong pass rusher. Neither one deserves the HOF, (imoboaloo).

Charles Haley is just another of the many Cowboys who are given much more credit than they should have. The Dallas propaganda machine was running full throttle in those days, and Haley was one of the primary beneficiaries, in my opinion. Of course, Haley's personality got him in trouble and traded by SF, and it also kept him in the sports news, which added to his reputation. Packer fans had absolute paranoia when it came to playing Dallas, and the impression was that everyone they had was unstoppable, and a future HOF'er.

[Scott Campbell]

Haley was a dominant ass, but just a very good player. Not a Hall of Famer.

Martin had 1697 yards rushing one season, 1513 another and two other seasons over 1450 yards. Martin has more yards rushing than Tomlinson and both have now played 11 seasons. Martin was a heck of a lot more than just very good.

How did Marcus Allen get in? It basically took him 16 years to do what Martin did in 11.

Haley was a spectacle of sorts, so he gained name recogniotion. Curtis Martin just quietly went about his business and exceeded the performance of all but a few truly elite players; Smith, Payton and Sanders. Haley was basically a 8-10 sacks/year guy at his best (one year with 16). In his 13 year career he had 100 sacks, 96 in his first 10 years. Hardly a dominating player, just a good one.

Haley may have been perceived as an ass, but that's not an uncommon perception of people with bi-polar disorder.

Haley has 5 Superbowl Championship rings - more than any other player. I have no issue with him becoming a HOF'er.

[pbmax]

If you look at Doleman's stats, and the average value assigned to them by Pro Football Reference, Doleman stands out as being better for longer and at a higher level than Greene or Haley. But I always thought Doleman was a one trick pony (pass rusher supreme) who got better all around as he aged. Richard Dent, for instance, does not have his numbers, but always seemed better to me.

[Patler]

Haley has 5 Superbowl Championship rings - more than any other player. I have no issue with him becoming a HOF'er.

..and Marv Flemming has four. On the right team at the right time.

[Upnorth]

Championships are over inflated at the individual in a team game. Either that or else Marino had some amazing publicists working for him.

No one player can bring a championship, they can help but it is more a function of the organization. The Patriots of the early 2000's are a great example. The offense right now is far better, but the team as a whole was better then and they got 3 championships as a result. Look at the walsh 49ers. Sure Montana got all the glory but what a great pass defense, oline and rb's!

[gbgary]

Haley? A disruptive force both on and off the field. Not a Hall of Famer in my opinion.

i'm with you. not enough sacks.

no problem with martin though. he's like 4th all time and played fewer years than emmit and walter.