Scouts Inc Current Top 32----NFL Draft....comments appreciated

[Cheesehead Craig]

After watching film on both upshaw and Ingram, I would rather have Ingram who is bigger, and a much better all around athlete. I don't think he has the agility to play OLB on every play, but he can also put his hand on the ground where as Upshaw can't play end in a 3-4.

Upshaw looks very stiff, and i agree if he runs a 4.7 I my jaw would hit the floor, but it is all about the 3 cone anyways.

That's what I think as well on Upshaw. I don't see him being our answer at OLB.

[Lurker64]

That's what I think as well on Upshaw. I don't see him being our answer at OLB.

I think a guy like Ingram or Upshaw is ideally what you want opposite Clay Matthews at OLB: a bigger, stouter guy who is an active rusher with "crush the pocket" potential but who slips in the draft due to lack of elite pass rushing measurables. Prototype for what we're looking for is someone like Lamarr Woodley, who was just about the same size as Ingram coming out, he fell to pick #46 since he was thought to be too small to excel on the DL and too stiff to excel in space, but turned into a darn good OLB opposite a legitimate #1 pass rusher.

Both Upshaw and Ingram fall into that model, I think fans are excited about them right now, but neither really offer much to a team looking for a #1 OLB (or a 4-3 DE). The fact that someone like Nick Perry will test well as a pass rusher, and can play both the #1 and the #2 pass rusher role, means that he should go higher than either Ingram or Upshaw.

[denverYooper]

I think a guy like Ingram or Upshaw is ideally what you want opposite Clay Matthews at OLB: a bigger, stouter guy who is an active rusher with "crush the pocket" potential but who slips in the draft due to lack of elite pass rushing measurables. Prototype for what we're looking for is someone like Lamarr Woodley, who was just about the same size as Ingram coming out, he fell to pick #46 since he was thought to be too small to excel on the DL and too stiff to excel in space, but turned into a darn good OLB opposite a legitimate #1 pass rusher.

Both Upshaw and Ingram fall into that model, I think fans are excited about them right now, but neither really offer much to a team looking for a #1 OLB (or a 4-3 DE). The fact that someone like Nick Perry will test well as a pass rusher, and can play both the #1 and the #2 pass rusher role, means that he should go higher than either Ingram or Upshaw.

Spot on.

[gbgary]

comments appreciated

no comment.

[sheepshead]

All I know is 1/3 will be pro bowl caliber; 1/3 will be serviceable and 1/3 will be busts. Over hyped, over rated and way way too expensive.

[Lurker64]

All I know is 1/3 will be pro bowl caliber; 1/3 will be serviceable and 1/3 will be busts. Over hyped, over rated and way way too expensive.

Rookies aren't that expensive anymore, the team that drafts Andrew Luck is going to get him for like four years for $22m, that's not that ridiculous for the first player chosen.

[Fritz]

I couldn't believe TT gave up so much to move up to take some relatively unheralded guy from SC in the first round.

Doh!

So, pick someone Ted. I'll let you figger it out. You and the Packerrats, most of whom know way more about this stuff than I do.

[mission]

You guys keep downplaying Ingram. Last time I brought him up somebody was talking 2nd round... they have him rated 95 here. Dude's a pure monster and is an all-around athlete. He might not run a 4.55 but he's going to impress for his size.

[Lurker64]

In spite of all this talk about Upshaw and Ingram, I would much rather have Devon Still or Michael Brockers than either.

[MJZiggy]

See, you guys aren't going to do this to me this year. Every year, you all get excited about some kid and I get all enthused about it and start rooting for us to pick the kid, then TT goes and drafts some kid we never heard of and everyone flips out, but not this year. I'm not rooting for anyone this year.

[Lurker64]

See, you guys aren't going to do this to me this year. Every year, you all get excited about some kid and I get all enthused about it and start rooting for us to pick the kid, then TT goes and drafts some kid we never heard of and everyone flips out, but not this year. I'm not rooting for anyone this year.

The solution to this problem is to learn a lot about every single player who's a day 1 or 2 prospect in the draft. Simple.

[MJZiggy]

The solution to this problem is to learn a lot about every single player who's a day 1 or 2 prospect in the draft. Simple.

Having never seen a single one of them play a snap, that seems a tad...um...difficult. Especially since 62 of them will be selected by other teams that I couldn't give a rat's ass about.

[Joemailman]

You have to keep in mind that Upshaw's stock is as high as it's going to be right now, he's not expected to work out well at the combine, and if he works out even less well than that it's entirely possible he will fall into the 20s.

It wouldn't be surprising if Upshaw runs in the 4.8s at the combine.

Personally, I think I'd rather have Ingram.

I think Ingram will go earlier than people think. He has the size to play DE in a 4-3, so he'll be attractive to teams no matter what kind of defense they play. A couple of years ago I was hoping Brandon Graham would fall to the Packers, and he went at # 13. I could see the same thing with Ingram.

[Upnorth]

Unfortunatly I think Ingram will be long gone at #28. Same with Upshaw. I have no idea who might be around but I bet I have no idea who he is when we pick him.

[KYPack]

I can't keep track of these college kids anymore, either. If there is a game on in the fall that I have interest in, I look at it, if not, I don't watch.

Its 'more fun this way. Last year, I was happier than hell when GB nabbed Cobb with that second round pick. The first time I saw Sherrod play was our first pre-season game.

I let Lurk, B-man, and the others do the heavy lifting in the "draft season".