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  • #31
    KY once TT makes his pick make sure you say you had a hunch he might lean that way. It means nothing but then you could take credit for something you never did. You could be management!
    All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Upnorth View Post
      KY once TT makes his pick make sure you say you had a hunch he might lean that way. It means nothing but then you could take credit for something you never did. You could be management!
      You got it, Canuck.

      I'm not much on the first guess anymore, but I can second guess with the best of 'em.

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      • #33
        I would simply like to see Sherrod come back healthy and improved (he was looking much better when he got hurt). Cobb take over as the #3. Basically I would like last years draft to step up. Defensive help can come in the way of a more solid scheme and a miracle Billy Graham type healing of Nick Collins.
        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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        • #34
          Couple of names that I'd be happy to see the Packers take that surprise me by not being on the list are Penn State's Devon Still and Memphis's Dontarri Poe. Still has prototypical 5-tech numbers, and is a good athlete for his size, and has worked his tail off at Penn State in spite of dealing with some health issues (notably, he got stabbed in the training room by one of his teammates).

          Poe is an absolute mammoth human being (6'4 5/8" 350 lbs) who is surprisingly athletic for his size. In terms of technique he's pretty green (Memphis isn't a big time football school, and the level of competition he faced he could mostly just push around) but with good coaching the kid could turn into a monster (maybe not quite "Haloti Ngata" type monster, but similar.) His high board probably doesn't come at 5-tech, but I would not be surprised (or disappointed) if the Packers took him.

          First round prospects I have at DE right now are Still, Brockers, Cox, and Poe (in that order). Jerel Worthy wouldn't be terrible, but we have too many "technique" guys at the 5-tech spot as it stands, we really need some young "frame" guys. Sometimes you're just going to draw two blockers because you're just too damn big.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
            Couple of names that I'd be happy to see the Packers take that surprise me by not being on the list are Penn State's Devon Still and Memphis's Dontarri Poe. Still has prototypical 5-tech numbers, and is a good athlete for his size, and has worked his tail off at Penn State in spite of dealing with some health issues (notably, he got stabbed in the training room by one of his teammates).

            Poe is an absolute mammoth human being (6'4 5/8" 350 lbs) who is surprisingly athletic for his size. In terms of technique he's pretty green (Memphis isn't a big time football school, and the level of competition he faced he could mostly just push around) but with good coaching the kid could turn into a monster (maybe not quite "Haloti Ngata" type monster, but similar.) His high board probably doesn't come at 5-tech, but I would not be surprised (or disappointed) if the Packers took him.

            First round prospects I have at DE right now are Still, Brockers, Cox, and Poe (in that order). Jerel Worthy wouldn't be terrible, but we have too many "technique" guys at the 5-tech spot as it stands, we really need some young "frame" guys. Sometimes you're just going to draw two blockers because you're just too damn big.
            Why isn't Howard Green effective at this?
            No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
              Why isn't Howard Green effective at this?
              Old, slow, not a high effort player, and a guy who has been cut numerous times in his NFL career. There's a big difference between a 33 year old guy who's 6'2" 340, and a 21 year old guy who's 6'5" 350 in terms of the havoc they can wreak against offensive linemen. Also Green isn't "big" in a meaningful sense beyond his weight, what I was getting at was "length + size" more than anything. A 6'4"+ guy with gorilla arms would really help the DL.

              Neither Pickett nor Green are truly DEs, they're more NT types to begin with. You just don't want to move Raji out of the middle because his length, is his biggest issue and the further he plays from the center the more of an issue that is. You can play in the middle as an older big man making up for youthful exuberance with girth and veteran savvy, but that's less possible outside. 5-techs, unless they're great when they're young, aren't generally going to be great when they're older.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by KYPack View Post
                You got it, Canuck.

                I'm not much on the first guess anymore, but I can second guess with the best of 'em.
                If that isn't the best site motto I have read, I'll eat my keyboard.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                  Couple of names that I'd be happy to see the Packers take that surprise me by not being on the list are Penn State's Devon Still and Memphis's Dontarri Poe. Still has prototypical 5-tech numbers, and is a good athlete for his size, and has worked his tail off at Penn State in spite of dealing with some health issues (notably, he got stabbed in the training room by one of his teammates).

                  Poe is an absolute mammoth human being (6'4 5/8" 350 lbs) who is surprisingly athletic for his size. In terms of technique he's pretty green (Memphis isn't a big time football school, and the level of competition he faced he could mostly just push around) but with good coaching the kid could turn into a monster (maybe not quite "Haloti Ngata" type monster, but similar.) His high board probably doesn't come at 5-tech, but I would not be surprised (or disappointed) if the Packers took him.

                  First round prospects I have at DE right now are Still, Brockers, Cox, and Poe (in that order). Jerel Worthy wouldn't be terrible, but we have too many "technique" guys at the 5-tech spot as it stands, we really need some young "frame" guys. Sometimes you're just going to draw two blockers because you're just too damn big.
                  Still not being there must be an oversight, unless injuries he suffered in 2007 and 2008 are a factor. Everyone else has him ranked top 10.
                  I can't run no more
                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                  A thundercloud
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                  • #39
                    Remember the PackerRats rule; injured in college twice, you cannot draft him. Even if one is a stabbing. Some people are just unlucky that way.
                    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                      Remember the PackerRats rule; injured in college twice, you cannot draft him. Even if one is a stabbing. Some people are just unlucky that way.
                      I think if we keep people who are likely to stab their teammates off the team, we can do well with Still.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                        In spite of all this talk about Upshaw and Ingram, I would much rather have Devon Still or Michael Brockers than either.

                        Stop fighting your urges....no need for us to do the Reed vs Moch tassles again with two new players..........it's time for you to join me on the Vinny Wagon !!! There is room
                        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                        • #42
                          The essential question here regarding whether a guy coming out of college is injury-prone is this: does a stabbing count as a football "injury"?
                          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                          KYPack

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                            The essential question here regarding whether a guy coming out of college is injury-prone is this: does a stabbing count as a football "injury"?
                            I am going with an answer based on perspective; for the stabber, no. For the stabbee, yes.
                            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                            • #44
                              Pretty sure you've got that backwards.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by smuggler View Post
                                Pretty sure you've got that backwards.
                                You think he was stabbed to solve a depth chart problem?
                                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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