Scouts Inc Current Top 32----NFL Draft....comments appreciated

[smuggler]

I think the stabber is crazy and the stabee has suffered an injury. But, the craziness is a better disqualifier than the non-football injury.

[Joemailman]

Actually, I don't think he was actually stabbed. A teammate pulled a knife on him, but coaches intervened before any harm could be done. So he obviously has the support of the coaching staff!

[pbmax]

I think the stabber is crazy and the stabee has suffered an injury. But, the craziness is a better disqualifier than the non-football injury.

I don't know, the Ravens like his attitude and aggressiveness and think it would translate well outside of the Dept. of Corrections.

[Deputy Nutz]

I honestly think you can fill your defensive line position later in the draft, no I don't mean round 4 or 5, I mean in round 2 or 3. They are basically looking for a body that can hold point in the run game and has reasonable understanding of scheme to open lanes for the pass rushers to attack through. I haven't given up on Mike Neal, I think he could be a player in the NFL, but if the Packers go into camp with him starting they must have a legit backup in the works that can come in and be a solid starter because Mike Neal can't be counted on to play a full season.

Besides the biggest issue is wide receiver.

[smuggler]

So true. We need to get Blackmon! Trade the draft!

[Lurker64]

Stop fighting your urges....no need for us to do the Reed vs Moch tassles again with two new players..........it's time for you to join me on the Vinny Wagon !!! There is room

Between two guys with the same grade at a position of need this year, I'm going to say we should go with the 5-tech not the OLB. If nothing else? "Planet Theory." I like Vinny Curry, just probably not at 28, though there will be a lot more clarity come combine time when we see these guys run and we see who's athleticism enables him to rush the passer in the NFL (e.g. Clay Matthews) and whose lack of athleticism will really hold him back despite college production (e.g. Everette Brown.)

[Joemailman]

Between two guys with the same grade at a position of need this year, I'm going to say we should go with the 5-tech not the OLB. If nothing else? "Planet Theory." I like Vinny Curry, just probably not at 28, though there will be a lot more clarity come combine time when we see these guys run and we see who's athleticism enables him to rush the passer in the NFL (e.g. Clay Matthews) and whose lack of athleticism will really hold him back despite college production (e.g. Everette Brown.)

The combine will be more important than ever. On one big board I've seen, 20 of the top 32 are juniors, and therefore were ineligible for the Senior Bowl.

The more I study this year's draft, the more I think TT will trade down. Good chance that Devon Still, Michael Brockers, Courtney Upshaw, Melvin Ingram, Nick Perry and Fletcher Cox will all be gone.

[Lurker64]

The more I study this year's draft, the more I think TT will trade down. Good chance that Devon Still, Michael Brockers, Courtney Upshaw, Melvin Ingram, Nick Perry and Fletcher Cox will all be gone.

If all those guys plus Poe (and possibly Konz depending on what happens with Wells) are gone? Then yeah, I trade back.

[SkinBasket]

Anyone got the ESPN mocks? I'm bored. And cheep.

[Smidgeon]

The combine will be more important than ever. On one big board I've seen, 20 of the top 32 are juniors, and therefore were ineligible for the Senior Bowl.

The more I study this year's draft, the more I think TT will trade down. Good chance that Devon Still, Michael Brockers, Courtney Upshaw, Melvin Ingram, Nick Perry and Fletcher Cox will all be gone.

Remember how trading down out of the first round backfired last time when he could have had Brandon Flowers and got Jordy Nelson instead?

[Lurker64]

Anyone got the ESPN mocks? I'm bored. And cheep.

I have insider, which do you want me to post?

Kiper's latest mock has us reaching for some safety out of Notre Dame because he assumes Nick Collins won't be cleared, which is stupid.

[Joemailman]

I have insider, which do you want me to post?

Kiper's latest mock has us reaching for some safety out of Notre Dame because he assumes Nick Collins won't be cleared, which is stupid.

Harrison Smith? That guy would probably be a reach in the 2nd round. Not even the type of Safety the Packers are looking for. More of a hitter than a cover guy.

[pbmax]

Between two guys with the same grade at a position of need this year, I'm going to say we should go with the 5-tech not the OLB. If nothing else? "Planet Theory." I like Vinny Curry, just probably not at 28, though there will be a lot more clarity come combine time when we see these guys run and we see who's athleticism enables him to rush the passer in the NFL (e.g. Clay Matthews) and whose lack of athleticism will really hold him back despite college production (e.g. Everette Brown.)

Lurk, what was the Combine view of Jason Pierre Paul and his pass rush?

Football Outsiders had a metric to predict NFL pass rush success off college production (similar to their college QB forecast-Lewin I think) that did not predict his success. I think he suffered from limited number of games with good production in that measure.

And my 2 cents would be lean pass rush rather than planet theory.

[Lurker64]

Lurk, what was the Combine view of Jason Pierre Paul and his pass rush?

JPP had a great combine. 6'4 3/4", 34 3/4" arms, 270. Ran the 40 in 4.76 and the 10 in 1.65, with that frame that's more than good enough, and he looked great in workouts. His vert doesn't blow you away with 30.5" and his cone was decent, but not great 7.18. But for what kind of a pass rusher he is, his length and his motor are his game, and he definitely looks the part. Based purely on how he did at the combine, he looked like a top 10 pick.

Knock on JPP going into the draft was the severe lack of experience (he literally only started for one year of football... ever), and questions about his mental capacity.

JPP's ascension to a top NFL DE is sort of a triumph for the "numbers" guys over the "tape guys" and the reason FO'S SACKSEER missed on JPP was largely that it tries to synthesize both approaches, but without actually having access to "tape" (since honestly, almost nobody has access to "tape" which is why a lot of the people who sneer at the combine are disingenuous.)

[Joemailman]

No questions about his flexibility:

http://technorati.com/videos/article/video-nfl-prospect-jason-pierre-paul/