IF I am TT, HERE IS MY PLAN

[Bretsky]

Lay it out there.......hopefully this can lead to some good old fashion tassling, name calling, and debate

I am Ted, Take One

First off, I'm hitting up the offense.

Flynn to win is good as gone; Payton Manning soon to be a free agent does not help TT convince two teams they need to give up belove draft picks for Matt Flynn. So I wish Flynn well and focus on other spots of strength to accumulate some picks.

Scott Wells.......I'll give him a fair offer, but I won't overpay. Nick Mangold signed for a seven year FIFTY FIVE million dollar deal. Rumors are Wells is looking for a blockbuster. The four to five mil/yr range may be doable, but if Wells is seeking top money I let him walk and sign an average center as there will be other free agents out there.

Sorry Chad....love ya....but gotta let you go. It's time to allow Marshmellow Newhouse or Derrick Sherrod or TJ Lang to start on this unit. You are a salary cap casualty; I wish you well and save money there.

I either Franchise Finley or lock him up to a four year deal averaging twenty to twenty five mil/year. If I franchise him I tell him to work his ass off and we'll make him rich next year.

At WR, the obvious answer stares us in our faces. TRADE JAMES JONES. I'll take a fifth for him. In reality he's worth no more and teams didn't exactly line up for him last year. If a fifth doesn't work, take a high sixth. He's a marginal route runner and he lacks speed. I think Jennings is our clear one, Jordy a strong two, and Randall Cobb can be a three. Driver played hurt last year but when healthy he can still function as a three if needed. So you have a stellar four WR's for the next two to three years. Open up the last spot for a developmental guy with upside.

Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Driver, and Finley........that's still as good as it gets for a receiving core.

At TE,, I'd also TRADE Andrew Quarless. Take a fifth or sixth for him. Dude's ok but we've got star talent there, DJ Williams appears to be a smooth route runner, and honestly Ryan Taylor was dynamic on special teams. Tom Crabcree is still a punishing blocker at times. We're fine without Quarless so trade his ass while we still can.

Obviously, if I'm TT I'm building through the draft and for the most part avoiding free agency unless my team is mostly devoid of talent.........however........I'm taking a dip at one position this year. I'm going out and signing a veteran cost effeitive safety as a Free Agent. I want a smart leader in the mold of Eugene Robinson...minus the hooker......Brian Dawkins comes to mind....he's near the end and reportedly may be let go. The NYG picked up Deon Grant...marginal starter but good enough to win and definitely better than Peprah.

Speaking of the secondary, I'm letting go the last piece of our second round nightmare in Pat Lee. Pat Lee and Brian Brohm can come back in five years to celebrate the 2nd round bust club. He's alright on specials but we can't house so many of those guys on the Pack anymore. And I'm keeping Jarrett Bush. Red's starting up his fan club and every team needs Bush. Dude is one of the best special teamers in the NFL....however....we only keep one marginal cover guy who plays special teams thsi year.

LBers....it's a free for all. I'm bringing in plenty of help from the draft and I'm letting the team know while Bishop and Matthews are starters the other two positions are up for grabs.

DL.....plenty of help from the draft as well.....we badly missed Cullen Jenkins.....and we badly need some upfield ability to rush the passer. It's not there anymore and Clay Matthews suffered for it this year.

Speaking of the draft, I'm trading out of round one. I've witnessed the past few years many piss on the measurable type gems .......Brooks I'm a baller Reed....comes to mind.....being swapped in the thirty two to fourty five range......and I'm aiming to get two picks in that range. So I trade out of round one and pick up a third......and then I'm making every effort I can to package a third and fourth to jump back into round two.

I'm targeting two to four playmakers I can swap in that range

Vinny Curry...future star....is one. Mike Maybin finally came to his senses and rates him right along with Nick Perry.
Speaking of draft..there is a reason we defense sucked.......we need some playmakers......I'm going pass rush........pass rush.......and more pass rush........combine that with a legit DL.....maybe two....with a Safety or CB......

Piss on the offensive side. I maybe grab a scatback speedster...aka...in the Sproles mold..if one is there.....otherwise....I just grab a OL and a QB and the rest of the portfolio of multiple draft picks going to

defense defense defense defense defense defense.

It should send a message to that enire unit that their lack of production was completely unacceptable and jobs will be held accountable this year.....aka....heads could roll.

OK RATS.............GO ON RECORD....feel free to criticize mind.....but don't be spineless.................ADD YOUR PLAN........let's the debates begin !!!!!!

[Patler]

I either Franchise Finley or lock him up to a four year deal averaging twenty to twenty five mil/year. If I franchise him I tell him to work his ass off and we'll make him rich next year.

! I think $20-25 million per year is a bit much for Finley. Your career as a GM will be short-lived.

[Bretsky]

! I think $20-25 million per year is a bit much for Finley. Your career as a GM will be short-lived.

Come on dude.......you know how I think......that was a 4 yr deal.......lol

[Joemailman]

At WR, the obvious answer stares us in our faces. TRADE JAMES JONES. I'll take a fifth for him. In reality he's worth no more and teams didn't exactly line up for him last year. If a fifth doesn't work, take a high sixth. He's a marginal route runner and he lacks speed. I think Jennings is our clear one, Jordy a strong two, and Randall Cobb can be a three. Driver played hurt last year but when healthy he can still function as a three if needed. So you have a stellar four WR's for the next two to three years. Open up the last spot for a developmental guy with upside.

Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Driver, and Finley........that's still as good as it gets for a receiving core.

At TE,, I'd also TRADE Andrew Quarless. Take a fifth or sixth for him. Dude's ok but we've got star talent there, DJ Williams appears to be a smooth route runner, and honestly Ryan Taylor was dynamic on special teams. Tom Crabcree is still a punishing blocker at times. We're fine without Quarless so trade his ass while we still can.

James Jones isn't going anywhere, and if he were traded, he'd be worth at least a 3. Driver is 37 and will likely have more trouble staying healthy, not less.

You wouldn't get a thing for Quarless as he's coming off a serious knee injury. Quarless may well spend all of 2012 on the Packers IR list.

[Bretsky]

James Jones isn't going anywhere, and if he were traded, he'd be worth at least a 3. Driver is 37 and will likely have more trouble staying healthy, not less.

You wouldn't get a thing for Quarless as he's coming off a serious knee injury. Quarless may well spend all of 2012 on the Packers IR list.

a THREE for Jones ? You are smoking da Packer Homer Dubeeees. I don't think we'd fine a team in the NFL who would give up a three. Jones is very average. Guys like Jordy run great routes. Some guys have extreme speed. Jones has neither. He'll always be ok in our system because we're pass happy. IMO Cobb is a better player....more upside, and he'd put up better numbers with the same playing time. There was a reason the interest for him was limited during free agency. He wasn't getting offers. He's just not that good IMO.

[Joemailman]

I don't understand why you would practically want to give away a guy who had 635 yards and 7 TD's. The Packers are going to probably have 3 4th round picks and possibly as many as 4 7th round picks. They're not exactly desperate for another late round pick. Jones is an integral part of this offense and would start for a lot of teams.

[Bretsky]

IMO is TT could get a third for Jones he'd take the pick and run; I'd take that pick and get another pass rusher
He might start for a few teams with piss poor number two's but I don't think I'd say many. I think Cobb is already just as good or better . Just making room.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jones wouldn't fetch a 3rd. Teams could have had him for nothing more than a few million/year last year, and I don't think most personnel people change their minds easily. That being said, why trade Jones and keep Driver? Jones is the better and cheaper player. Now, I don't know what Driver would want, but he's good for another year at most IMHO. Is a better and cheaper player worth giving up for a late round pick? I don't think so.

[Brandon494]

Why in the hell would you trade James Jones when he is signed for cheap as hell for a 5th or 6th round player who most likely wouldn't even make the team?

[ThunderDan]

Lay it out there.......hopefully this can lead to some good old fashion tassling, name calling, and debate

I am Ted, Take One

Bretsky-

Great idea for a thread. Pretty tough to be the first guy in the pool!

[Smeefers]

Why in the hell would you trade James Jones when he is signed for cheap as hell for a 5th or 6th round player who most likely wouldn't even make the team?

What He said.

Okay, I'm TT? Well, after a night of cocaine, binge drinking and strippers, I'd wander down to HQ and make racists jokes in front of the media...

I kid I kid

Well, I offer Wells a deal I know he won't take, then look around the league to see if I can replace him for cheap. If not, assign one of my 67 draft picks this year to getting a center or someone who can play that position in the future. Leave the actual assignments to MM. Then I do my very best to redo the deal with Driver and keep him here. Despite what everyone thinks, I'm not a heartless bastard and I realize the things Driver brings to the team along with his local influence. While I'm working with driver, I do everything in my power to lock up Fin. I'm not going to go balls out on him, but I will give him an escalating contract that has a decent base pay with enough incentives to keep him happy, but not so many that he's going to demand the ball all the time. If he wants to get paid like Antonio Gates, he's going to have to play like him. Give him a 3-4 year deal so he can renegotiate in a few years if he really does take off.

Jarret Bush Stays and gets paid decent. Flynn is gone, free and clear. No BS. Grant is gone unless he's willing to take another pay cut. Howard green is gone. Pat Lee is gone. Eric Walden is gone, with a boot print on his ass. Clifton is gone unless he's willing to take a pay cut. I offer older FA's sub par deals with the hopes of them finally getting a SB ring. You never know, might pick up a John Abrahms, Sione Pouha or a Robert Mathis. With these guys I'm looking for role players, not starters.

In the draft, I take the bpa on defense unless someone falls into my lap that I cannot refuse. If Andrew luck falls to me, I'm taking him. Damn the consequences. For all of you who think that's crazy, remember when a different #1 prospect fell to us? Yeah, it can happen. I remember Bulaga tumbling down the draft too, and that just happened to match a need we had, but I think we would have taken him regardless. Otherwise, I'm drafting for need. Despite what people may say, I'm willing to move up in the draft to get a need, but as always I'm willing to fall back if I think it will net me more picks for the same talent level. I don't move back if I don't think I'm going to get the value out of the picks they're offering. This is a pretty deep draft, so I probably will move back, but if a stud is still around at 20, I can see myself jumping up to get him. One of my late round draft picks will be a starter in 3 years. Count on it.

[ND72]

WOW...Bretsky, if I had gotten hired in Fort Atkinson, we might have to go for a beer over this one...


[QUOTE=Bretsky;654281]

Flynn to win is good as gone; Payton Manning soon to be a free agent does not help TT convince two teams they need to give up belove draft picks for Matt Flynn. So I wish Flynn well and focus on other spots of strength to accumulate some picks.

Agreed with this.

Scott Wells.......I'll give him a fair offer, but I won't overpay. Nick Mangold signed for a seven year FIFTY FIVE million dollar deal. Rumors are Wells is looking for a blockbuster. The four to five mil/yr range may be doable, but if Wells is seeking top money I let him walk and sign an average center as there will be other free agents out there.

Yeah, I donno. I really see the value in a solid center. The Vikings gave up on Matt Birk, and he's still doing well...granted he's not as undersized.

Sorry Chad....love ya....but gotta let you go. It's time to allow Marshmellow Newhouse or Derrick Sherrod or TJ Lang to start on this unit. You are a salary cap casualty; I wish you well and save money there.

Agreed.

I either Franchise Finley or lock him up to a four year deal averaging twenty to twenty five mil/year. If I franchise him I tell him to work his ass off and we'll make him rich next year.

What is this the NBA? $20-25 mil a year? I get ya though, 4 years $20-25 mil. Seems ok. He may want more. Even though I was the first to say he's gotta go...he's gotta stay, and we have to keep a guy with as much potential on this team.

At WR, the obvious answer stares us in our faces. TRADE JAMES JONES. I'll take a fifth for him. In reality he's worth no more and teams didn't exactly line up for him last year. If a fifth doesn't work, take a high sixth. He's a marginal route runner and he lacks speed. I think Jennings is our clear one, Jordy a strong two, and Randall Cobb can be a three. Driver played hurt last year but when healthy he can still function as a three if needed. So you have a stellar four WR's for the next two to three years. Open up the last spot for a developmental guy with upside.

Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Driver, and Finley........that's still as good as it gets for a receiving core.

um...No. You cut Driver and keep Jones. Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Cobb are our future at WR. You bring in one of those PS guys to be a special teamer.

At TE,, I'd also TRADE Andrew Quarless. Take a fifth or sixth for him. Dude's ok but we've got star talent there, DJ Williams appears to be a smooth route runner, and honestly Ryan Taylor was dynamic on special teams. Tom Crabcree is still a punishing blocker at times. We're fine without Quarless so trade his ass while we still can.

Likely can't trade Quarless if you wanted, cause he probably won't even play this season. Quarless has something, not great, but he's a solid #2/3 TE, with hopes that Williams grows and passes him up. I like our 3 TE's...Crabtree however, I'm not a fan of.

Obviously, if I'm TT I'm building through the draft and for the most part avoiding free agency unless my team is mostly devoid of talent.........however........I'm taking a dip at one position this year. I'm going out and signing a veteran cost effeitive safety as a Free Agent. I want a smart leader in the mold of Eugene Robinson...minus the hooker......Brian Dawkins comes to mind....he's near the end and reportedly may be let go. The NYG picked up Deon Grant...marginal starter but good enough to win and definitely better than Peprah.

If collins has to retire, Woodson goes to Safety, and we need a 3rd CB more than anything. The talent depth at DB scares me.

Speaking of the secondary, I'm letting go the last piece of our second round nightmare in Pat Lee. Pat Lee and Brian Brohm can come back in five years to celebrate the 2nd round bust club. He's alright on specials but we can't house so many of those guys on the Pack anymore. And I'm keeping Jarrett Bush. Red's starting up his fan club and every team needs Bush. Dude is one of the best special teamers in the NFL....however....we only keep one marginal cover guy who plays special teams thsi year.

Pat Lee blows, House who knows, and I personally can't stand Bush...sometimes ya gotta cut the Bush.

LBers....it's a free for all. I'm bringing in plenty of help from the draft and I'm letting the team know while Bishop and Matthews are starters the other two positions are up for grabs.

I know it's still rag on Hawk, but you have 3 starters in Matthews, Bishop, Hawk..now you need a 4th. You could cut the rest of the LB's and start over IMO.

DL.....plenty of help from the draft as well.....we badly missed Cullen Jenkins.....and we badly need some upfield ability to rush the passer. It's not there anymore and Clay Matthews suffered for it this year.

Our ILB suffered also. In the 34 those 3 guys need to take on all double teams to keep guys off of our ILB, and I didn't see that happening this year. We need a Cullen Jenkins type to apply pressure and eat blocks. If we're going to rag on players, Raji can be thrown into that bunch, he sadly underperformed.

Speaking of the draft, I'm trading out of round one. I've witnessed the past few years many piss on the measurable type gems .......Brooks I'm a baller Reed....comes to mind.....being swapped in the thirty two to fourty five range......and I'm aiming to get two picks in that range. So I trade out of round one and pick up a third......and then I'm making every effort I can to package a third and fourth to jump back into round two.
I'm targeting two to four playmakers I can swap in that range

We play too much madden at times. I don't argue trading out of round 1, but TT doesn't move around that much with that much thought process. Truth is, there is a lot of bottom end 1st round talent this year, so unless we trade up, I don't see us moving anywhere. TT will find a guy at our current spot. 2-4 playmakers?? Are you talking sitting there for us to take, or for us to actually take? Cause if we could get 2 playmakers in every draft, TT would be king.

Vinny Curry...future star....is one. Mike Maybin finally came to his senses and rates him right along with Nick Perry.
Speaking of draft..there is a reason we defense sucked.......we need some playmakers......I'm going pass rush........pass rush.......and more pass rush........combine that with a legit DL.....maybe two....with a Safety or CB......

Yes.

Piss on the offensive side. I maybe grab a scatback speedster...aka...in the Sproles mold..if one is there.....otherwise....I just grab a OL and a QB and the rest of the portfolio of multiple draft picks going to

People made fun of me, but LaMichael James looks good in Green. Just sayin...

defense defense defense defense defense defense.

And as we all know, TT does nothing we expect.

[Pugger]

Quarless and his injury will make him untradeable so he'll start the season on the PUP list. Besides, he's one of the better blocking TEs on the roster and is a nice receiver. Even if he were healthy I wouldn't trade him unless I got an offer I couldn't refuse.

Finley will get the TE tag if I can't get a deal done in the next week.

According to the MJS I gave Wells an offer but he wasn't thrilled. I'll now see what kind of interest he gets from other teams. If Wells leaves I might have to think about finding his replacement.

Trade Jones? The poor schmuck got very little offers as a FA so nobody is gonna give us anything for him now.

Cliffy will stay only if he takes a pay cut. The same with Driver. I'd let Grant test the FA waters. Grant might be back if he gets the same kind of offers Jones got last year. Then these guys can fight for their football lives in TC.

I'd take the best pass rusher on the board in the first no matter what position he plays. Evidently there are several collegiate DEs that will most likely end up as LBers in the NFL anyway. I might try to move up like I did with Clay if there is somebody there I really want. It will depend upon how many compensatory picks we get this year.

[Smidgeon]

Quarless and his injury will make him untradeable so he'll start the season on the PUP list. Besides, he's one of the better blocking TEs on the roster and is a nice receiver. Even if he were healthy I wouldn't trade him unless I got an offer I couldn't refuse.

+1

And I'm not convinced Crabtree's more than replaceable.

[Ballboy]

OK.....here are my dumbass ideas:


Flynn - gone, wish we could work something for a sign and trade, but dont think that will work.

Clifton - paycut or gone. He really mpressed me with his play in the postseason. Not sure if Sherrod will be ready, if not I trust the off season workouts will help Newhouse.

Wells - offer him what we can, around 4 million per. If not, EDS played OK at guard. I really hate switching centers, especially with the above Clifton gone.

Finely - again, resign. I would think the 3.5-4 Million per year. He should be franchised at least.

Driver - Pay cut. Let him know our long term plans, maybe even offer a spot in our PR department or coaching after he is done.

Jones - I really dont think we should do anything, but since above posters mentioned it, see if someone will give us a 3rd or 4th for him; if so let him go because I see Cobb and the two guys from PS as getting a long look this year.

Hawk - I really dont know the numbers, but Smith played well at ILB and if it wouldnt cost us much and save us more, trade or cut him(trades rarely happen in NFL).

Collins - IF he can play or if he cant, that is the big question. I dont think Woodson wants to move to S yet. Either way, we need to upgrade our DB's both for nickel and dime. Lee never made a jump, House we havent seen and Bush is an elite ST player. That said, not sure any of the above are DB's in the NFL.

As for the draft, I hope and pray the first three rounds are used on defense. We have a luxory here in that even if we dont touch the offense it will still rank near the top in the NFL next year. Would I like to get a top RB.....sure, but will MM use him? Isnt the more glaring hole on the defensive side of the ball?

I dont care who our backup QB is, if AR is out, we are not Super Bowl contenders.

We have or should have many late round picks, this can build our OL depth and other positions to take flyer on such as a RB that slips. I would love it if TT moves up in the first using the 4th round pick.