Packers Sign Finley

[Smeefers]

Everyone one is mentioning the Tag Flynn and trade deal....I remember reading that this is actually against league rules and after the new agreement the league is really watching this type of deal.

Anyone else hear anything such as this?

What I heard on the radio is that if they tag him after they work out a deal with another team, then it's against the rules. They'd have to tag them, then look for deals. Also, the second they make the deal, Flynn is going to sign the agreement. They can rescind the deal up until he signs it, but who wouldn't sign that deal? Pretty much, the second they sign him, they loose all barganing power because everyone knows they HAVE to get rid of him. The only way they get a high draft pick is if a lot of teams want him and start a bidding war and I don't know if that's the case.

[Joemailman]

What I heard on the radio is that if they tag him after they work out a deal with another team, then it's against the rules. They'd have to tag them, then look for deals. Also, the second they make the deal, Flynn is going to sign the agreement. They can rescind the deal up until he signs it, but who wouldn't sign that deal? Pretty much, the second they sign him, they loose all barganing power because everyone knows they HAVE to get rid of him. The only way they get a high draft pick is if a lot of teams want him and start a bidding war and I don't know if that's the case.

Which is precisely what TT will be trying to orchestrate the next few days.

[ThunderDan]

Nope. I'm not that good, but I did make this statement:

A poster who shall remain nameless:



My response:



I finally got one right.

That was me. Don't be affraid to bump what I said or say it was me.

I think we way overpaid for the 2011 version of JFinley. And if we overpaid we should have gotten at least 4 years. Now in 2 years we will have to play the game again.

The fun thing is if Finley got an extension I was going to buy a Finley jersey. I didn't want to spend money in 2011 for a jersey for 1 year. Maybe I'll get a Mathews jersy instead after we sign him long-term.

[Cleft Crusty]

The fun thing is if Finley got an extension I was going to buy a Finley jersey. I didn't want to spend money in 2011 for a jersey for 1 year. Maybe I'll get a Mathews jersy instead after we sign him long-term.

This tragedy plays out more often than you'd think. Fans buy a jersey only to have it become obsolete almost instantly. Be happy you aren't like my grandkid. Even though he has a signed, authentic, Jerry Babb jersey, courtesy of gramps, it's still Jerry Babb. Havner is another example, and you can't convert back to number 4, once the damage is done.

[gbgary]

silverstein...

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/140150423.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

[HarveyWallbangers]

For Finley, it's better than the Franchise tag. For the Packers, it gives them 2 more years to determine if Finley is a great player, or a guy who had the potential to be great.

Sums it up very well.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Everyone one is mentioning the Tag Flynn and trade deal....I remember reading that this is actually against league rules and after the new agreement the league is really watching this type of deal.

Anyone else hear anything such as this?

I thought that also, but then I read that it's not actually against the rules but "frowned upon". The Packers did the same deal with Corey Williams and bagged a 2nd round pick out of it. I'm not sure what is true, but I now believe Thompson will go this route.

[gbgary]

I thought that also, but then I read that it's not actually against the rules but "frowned upon". The Packers did the same deal with Corey Williams and bagged a 2nd round pick out of it. I'm not sure what is true, but I now believe Thompson will go this route.

i hope so!

[KYPack]

I thought that also, but then I read that it's not actually against the rules but "frowned upon". The Packers did the same deal with Corey Williams and bagged a 2nd round pick out of it. I'm not sure what is true, but I now believe Thompson will go this route.

NE & KC did a similar deal w/Matt Cassel. The Pats tagged him and then traded Cassel & Vrabel to KC for a 2nd round pick. Then Cassel inked a multi year deal with KC.

Bill B doesn't care about "frowns". He does it so much, you know.

I could see us tagging Flynn and then trading him to a QB hungry team for a 1st round swap. It would give us a good draft position and we could get a prime defender for a back-up QB.

[smuggler]

It's not against the rules to tag & trade. But, since the compensation is just a 1st round pick now, instead of two first rounders, it might be a better idea to just tag and let another team sign him. If no team sends him an offer sheet, at that point, we can trade his exclusive rights for *less* than the 1st round pick.

[pbmax]

way too late with this

[Lurker64]

It's not against the rules to tag & trade. But, since the compensation is just a 1st round pick now, instead of two first rounders, it might be a better idea to just tag and let another team sign him. If no team sends him an offer sheet, at that point, we can trade his exclusive rights for *less* than the 1st round pick.

Are you sure that the compensation for signing away an on-exclusive franchised player is only a first round pick? I thought the change was that restricted free agents can now only be tendered as high as a 1st round pick (i.e. they did away with the "first and third" designation), but the only thing that changes about the franchise tag is how the franchise tenders are calculated.

I'm pretty sure, though, that if Thompson doesn't have a handshake deal in place to trade Flynn before the tag deadline (like New England had with KC when they tagged Cassel), then he won't tag Flynn. There's too much risk otherwise.

[pbmax]

A few more details:



Still looks very team friendly by giving the team a decision point for a second year after 2012, with costs for 2012 not much more than the franchise tag, and no deadmoney for 2013 if for any reason they would decide to let him go.

Silverstein also points out that the $8.25 mil figure (which could get close to $10 mil with incentives) will likely be above the TE tag number for 2014. If true, then Finley is in line for a 120% bump off that salary should the Packers tag him. A $10+ mil salary number will make it less likely the Packers tag him. So Finley benefits from a two year deal, a higher salary than the TE tag this year, near guaranteed money this year AND a disincentive for the tag after this deal.

However, if he is getting a $4.45 mil bonus next March, I think Spoon's math might be off. Do roster or option bonuses count as salary in the year they are realized?

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/140150423.html

[Fritz]

Homosexuality is frowned upon by many social conservatives...but that doesn't seem to be stopping it.

[pbmax]

You can catch the quotes and notes from Ty Dunne, Wilde and Kareem Copeland on Twitter but essentially:

1. Finley was surprised the negotiations turned around so fast and it was one call on Wed am.
2. Knows all money and contracts will make a huge jump in 2014 so another reason to accept 2 year deal
3. Knows the values of Gronk and Graham's contracts and thinks it doable as a 26 yo FA. Said he came to game with nothing, so not worried about risk of waiting to land big one.
3. Signing contract in Indy with Ted and Russ Ball

Wilde had this quote: "It was all of a sudden. It was one phone call. it was like night and day – it switched. I was like, ‘What? Ted?’"

Perhaps Green Bay got a bite on Flynn trade bait and needed to move things along to shore up the cap?