Good thing Gregg Williams didn't take the Packer Job...

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if what pb says turns out to be true then peyton also needs to be banned, not just williams.

and the saints should be stripped of even more then just this years 1st round pick

NFL needs to drop the hammer on this team

if someone is paying players under the table, wouldn't that also be a cap violation?

[pbmax]

if someone is paying players under the table, wouldn't that also be a cap violation?

Yes, it is.

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Yes, it is.

then we're close to NFL "death penalty" territory IMO

bring the hammer down on them

[Joemailman]

then we're close to NFL "death penalty" territory IMO

bring the hammer down on them

What would the "death penalty" be? Force them to move to L.A.?

[Lurker64]

What would the "death penalty" be? Force them to move to L.A.?

Purple uniforms

[Joemailman]

if what pb says turns out to be true then peyton also needs to be banned, not just williams.

and the saints should be stripped of even more then just this years 1st round pick

NFL needs to drop the hammer on this team

if someone is paying players under the table, wouldn't that also be a cap violation?

Saints don't even have a 1st round pick. They traded it last year to move up and get Mark Ingram. The Saints might not have much to do this year during the draft.

[hoosier]

Instead of docking the Saints draft picks, maybe a better punishment would to oblige Benson to fire Loomis and Payton, and hire Matt Millen and Chilly to replace them. And then commit to living with that couple for three years.

[Joemailman]

It's probably also a good thing that TT hired McCarthy instead of Payton.

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What would the "death penalty" be? Force them to move to L.A.?

close, minnesota


i would say, the gm and head coach get suspended for at least a year. multiple 1st round draft picks taken away. all players that showed up in the report get at least a half year suspension.

any assistant coaches that knew about it are also out for a year

maybe take away more then just 1st round picks. no picks this year or next maybe? take away the franchise tag? brees hits the market then

that would hit the team hard

steve young (a part time lawyer i guess) also mentioned that any players that were hurt while playing against the saints the last three years can now sue the saints organization

this is gonna get big time ugly fast and goodell better play fair and nail the owner and his team

[smuggler]

Actually, steve is right. If they targeted specific players and they were injured, and it's documented, the players have a great case in civil court for damages.

[smuggler]

Maybe we should all get #12 jerseys that say "THANKS BRETT" no wait, that would be classless, let's leave it to dumb 'Queens fans.

[Patler]

I doubt any injured players would have much of a case.

[smuggler]

Why's that? Remember, (usually, depending on the state) all a plaintiff needs to establish is a preponderance of evidence. Set up a plausible motive and you're there.

I don't know if there were any players that were singled out as targets that were devastatingly injured by the Saints, but Favre comes to mind as a possibility. He needed surgery on his ankle after that game.

[Patler]

Were any of the plays that caused injury far outside the rules of the game? Were the players fined? Were they even penalized? If the plays occurred without the "bounty" system, would there have been a cause of action?

If players had been targeted, but without the bounty, the league would not have made a big deal about it, and no one would be suggesting civil liability. The fact that there was a bounty does not change the legal culpability, in my opinion.

Physical intimidation is and always will be a part of the game. Focusing that on key players from the other team is and will always be a part of the game. Teams often hide or misreport injuries to protect players from other teams going at the injury.

Trying to put a player out of a game is not unique to a bounty system, and it is a risk assumed by all participants in a contact sport. Defensive players have been trying to knock QBs out of the game forever.

[sheepshead]

There's a subtle but important difference between 'helmet stickers' and intentionally injuring someone to the point where it could effect his livelihood and/or quality of life. rewarding for great plays is fine. Manninghams SB catch - great play. Charles Martin slamming McMahon- not so much.