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  • #46
    if what pb says turns out to be true then peyton also needs to be banned, not just williams.

    and the saints should be stripped of even more then just this years 1st round pick

    NFL needs to drop the hammer on this team

    if someone is paying players under the table, wouldn't that also be a cap violation?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by red View Post

      if someone is paying players under the table, wouldn't that also be a cap violation?
      Yes, it is.
      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by pbmax View Post
        Yes, it is.
        then we're close to NFL "death penalty" territory IMO

        bring the hammer down on them

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        • #49
          Originally posted by red View Post
          then we're close to NFL "death penalty" territory IMO

          bring the hammer down on them
          What would the "death penalty" be? Force them to move to L.A.?
          I can't run no more
          With that lawless crowd
          While the killers in high places
          Say their prayers out loud
          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
          A thundercloud
          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
            What would the "death penalty" be? Force them to move to L.A.?
            Purple uniforms
            </delurk>

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            • #51
              Originally posted by red View Post
              if what pb says turns out to be true then peyton also needs to be banned, not just williams.

              and the saints should be stripped of even more then just this years 1st round pick

              NFL needs to drop the hammer on this team

              if someone is paying players under the table, wouldn't that also be a cap violation?
              Saints don't even have a 1st round pick. They traded it last year to move up and get Mark Ingram. The Saints might not have much to do this year during the draft.
              I can't run no more
              With that lawless crowd
              While the killers in high places
              Say their prayers out loud
              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
              A thundercloud
              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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              • #52
                Instead of docking the Saints draft picks, maybe a better punishment would to oblige Benson to fire Loomis and Payton, and hire Matt Millen and Chilly to replace them. And then commit to living with that couple for three years.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Lurker64 View Post
                  It's probably also a good thing that TT hired McCarthy instead of Payton.
                  I can't run no more
                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                  A thundercloud
                  They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                    What would the "death penalty" be? Force them to move to L.A.?
                    close, minnesota


                    i would say, the gm and head coach get suspended for at least a year. multiple 1st round draft picks taken away. all players that showed up in the report get at least a half year suspension.

                    any assistant coaches that knew about it are also out for a year

                    maybe take away more then just 1st round picks. no picks this year or next maybe? take away the franchise tag? brees hits the market then

                    that would hit the team hard

                    steve young (a part time lawyer i guess) also mentioned that any players that were hurt while playing against the saints the last three years can now sue the saints organization

                    this is gonna get big time ugly fast and goodell better play fair and nail the owner and his team

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                    • #55
                      Actually, steve is right. If they targeted specific players and they were injured, and it's documented, the players have a great case in civil court for damages.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                        Maybe we should all get #12 jerseys that say "THANKS BRETT" no wait, that would be classless, let's leave it to dumb 'Queens fans.

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                        • #57
                          I doubt any injured players would have much of a case.

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                          • #58
                            Why's that? Remember, (usually, depending on the state) all a plaintiff needs to establish is a preponderance of evidence. Set up a plausible motive and you're there.

                            I don't know if there were any players that were singled out as targets that were devastatingly injured by the Saints, but Favre comes to mind as a possibility. He needed surgery on his ankle after that game.

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                            • #59
                              Were any of the plays that caused injury far outside the rules of the game? Were the players fined? Were they even penalized? If the plays occurred without the "bounty" system, would there have been a cause of action?

                              If players had been targeted, but without the bounty, the league would not have made a big deal about it, and no one would be suggesting civil liability. The fact that there was a bounty does not change the legal culpability, in my opinion.

                              Physical intimidation is and always will be a part of the game. Focusing that on key players from the other team is and will always be a part of the game. Teams often hide or misreport injuries to protect players from other teams going at the injury.

                              Trying to put a player out of a game is not unique to a bounty system, and it is a risk assumed by all participants in a contact sport. Defensive players have been trying to knock QBs out of the game forever.

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                              • #60
                                There's a subtle but important difference between 'helmet stickers' and intentionally injuring someone to the point where it could effect his livelihood and/or quality of life. rewarding for great plays is fine. Manninghams SB catch - great play. Charles Martin slamming McMahon- not so much.
                                Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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