Redskins get 2nd pick. Flynn not a Redskin.

[woodbuck27]

Shanny made Bruce Allen part of the package deal when he got hired, so Bruce is working for Mike. Allen had a rep since his Raider/Tampa days with Chucky of being coach friendly. Cerrato is out of the picture. Its Shanny's show, but its unclear what kind of pressure Snyder might be placing on him.

So picture Shanahan at his desk with a gavel, Year At A Glance calendar, Jake Plummer bobblehead and some rubber stamps and ink pads, calling out the shots. Then picture a guillotine hanging over his head.

I think what your implying is straight up. Shanahan is shitting his pants every day. (-: He's uncomfortable in Washington.

[woodbuck27]

OK, but the hypothetical I was posing was assuming RGIII turns out to be a great QB, is the trade worth it? I was surprised to see people balking on the trade, EVEN if RGIII was as good as say Favre. So, answer this: If RGIII is slightly better than Vick - that is, a bit faster, a bit quicker, and a more accurate passer, would you make the trade? I would in a heartbeat.

How good is your three year...four year...five year plan to win the Super Bowl. Because it's ALL ABOUT THAT.

[sharpe1027]

OK, but the hypothetical I was posing was assuming RGIII turns out to be a great QB, is the trade worth it? I was surprised to see people balking on the trade, EVEN if RGIII was as good as say Favre. So, answer this: If RGIII is slightly better than Vick - that is, a bit faster, a bit quicker, and a more accurate passer, would you make the trade? I would in a heartbeat.

You would need to assume that none of your other first round picks are likely would end up being great players in their own right or else it is at best a wash.

The problem I have with the hypothetical is that you must assume that you can correctly judge RGIII with 100% accuracy, but you are guaranteed not to correctly judge any of your first round picks over the next three years.

[Fritz]

This deal confirms Snyder as a sure-fire pick to get into the Owners Hall of Shame. This guy keeps making the same kind of mistake, over and over. Gamble the future away.

And Mike Shanahan's reputation continues to crumble.

[woodbuck27]

This deal confirms Snyder as a sure-fire pick to get into the Owners Hall of Shame. This guy keeps making the same kind of mistake, over and over. Gamble the future away.

And Mike Shanahan's reputation continues to crumble.

What must it be like to be a Redskins fan? The Redskins had other options. One of them was to look hard at Matt Flynn. That option would have cost them what? A third round pick. One pick to us and get a legitimate NFL ready 'starting QB'. Wouldn't Shanahan's shirt collar feel less tight?

[woodbuck27]

Holmgren gripes about Griffin trade

Posted by Mike Florio on March 15, 2012, 8:16 PM EDT
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Last week at this time, the Rams were working out a deal to send the second overall pick in the 2012 draft to the Redskins for the sixth overall selection plus two other first-round picks and a second-round pick. The Browns were in the running for the pick that most likely will become the rights to Robert Griffin III, but in the end the Rams decided not to do business with the Browns.

Browns president Mike Holmgren isn’t happy that a franchise that was once headquartered in Cleveland dissed the team that currently plays there. He seems to think it was an inside job by the Rams to steer the pick to the Redskins.

“Honestly, when it didn’t happen I think there are reasons that I can’t go into right now, but there is a very close relationship between the people getting the deal done and the people who offered. And I’m not sure anything we offered would have been good enough.

We were very, very aggressive and it didn’t work,” Holmgren said during a Thursday conference call for season-ticket holders, via Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland.

(With all the football players getting new jobs lately, I forgot to point out that Grossi has a new job, too — he’s back on the Browns beat with ESPN Cleveland, which to its tremendous credit wasn’t troubled by Grossi’s Twitter malfunction from late January.)

As Grossi explains it, Rams coach Jeff Fisher and Redskins coach Mike Shanahan have a friendship. That friendship, in Holmgren’s view, ensured that the Redskins would get the pick.

But while Holmgren claimed that the Browns made “every bit the offer” that the Rams accepted from the Redskins, Holmgren didn’t disclose the terms. Was it three first-round picks and a second-round pick? Or was it some other package that Holmgren believes the Rams should have regarded as equivalent?

Peter King of SI.com reports via Twitter that Rams G.M. Les Snead instructed teams to make their best offer. The Redskins did and the Browns did. Then, the Browns wanted to make another offer, but the Rams had already decided to accept what the Redskins had offered.

Holmgren’s comments seem misguided, for several reasons.

First, the Rams had the right to trade the pick to anyone to whom they wanted to trade the pick. There are no rules in this regard apart from the two interested teams coming to a mutual agreement and the league providing its approval.

Second, absent specific disclosure by Holmgren of the offer that was made in response to the Rams’ request for the “best offer,” there’s simply no way to assess the validity of Holmgren’s complaint.

Third, if Holmgren knew the Redskins were at the table and knew that the relationships involved pointed to St. Louis doing the deal with D.C., why bother to even try? Or, even better, why not offer more than what the Redskins were expected to put on the table?

Fourth, it wasn’t in the Rams’ interests to keep Griffin in the conference. All things being equal, it made more sense to ship the pick to the AFC, since the Rams will now face Griffin at least once every three years, and possibly any year in the six-team NFC playoff field. Thus, if it truly was a tie (and since Holmgren didn’t disclose the offer we don’t know that), the Rams would have been more inclined to trade Griffin to the Browns.

Fifth, the comments will do little to shore up the confidence of Colt McCoy, or to allow the team to sell whoever the starter may be in 2012 as the first choice. The first choice was Griffin, and now everyone knows it.

Sixth, whining about the situation serves no purpose. Browns fans won’t get mad at the Rams or the Redskins; they’ll assume that the failure to land Griffin is the latest new product rolling off the assembly line at the “factory of sadness.”

Seventh, Holmgren has surely benefited from his own friendships and relationships many more times than he has been burned by those maintained by others. The Godfather of what once was known loosely as the Green Bay Mafia (Jon Gruden perhaps was Luca Brasi), Holmgren knows how to call in favors and/or throw his weight around when he needs to.

He’s frustrated primarily because he wasn’t able to do it this time. He would have wise, in our view, to keep those frustrations to himself.

And with that I’ll officially withdraw my application for employment with the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

[pbmax]

M1 still working all the angles. This story gives him some cover for failing to land the pick without having to explain exactly how they valued it and whether they should have offered more originally.

[woodbuck27]

M1 still working all the angles. This story gives him some cover for failing to land the pick without having to explain exactly how they valued it and whether they should have offered more originally.

and after the FACT. What's M1 whining about.There are other QB options and one of those is a highly touted Matt Flynn. He once had a relationship with Matt Flynn's (maybe) former teams GM.

That option will likely cost M1's Browns 'just' one third round pick; not a combination of first and second round picks.

[woodbuck27]

In light of 2001 Hasselbeck trade, Holmgren’s complaints are hollow

Posted by Mike Florio on March 16, 2012, 1:37 PM EDT
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Browns president Mike Holmgren isn’t happy that his team wasn’t selected to make a deal with the Rams for the second overall pick in the draft.

“Honestly, when it didn’t happen I think there are reasons that I can’t go into right now, but there is a very close relationship between the people getting the deal done and the people who offered.

And I’m not sure anything we offered would have been good enough,” Holmgren told season-ticket holders on Thursday.

To the extent the fix was in, Holmgren would know. Eleven years ago, Holmgren finagled a trade with his old team and his old boss for quarterback Matthew Hasselbeck.

As explained at the time by Don Banks of SI.com, the Dolphins were ready to send the 26th pick in round one to the Packers for Hasselbeck.

Then, at the last minute, Holmgren’s Seahawks offered a flip-flop of first-round picks, with the Packers moving from No. 17 to No. 10 and the Seahawks sliding from No. 10 down to No. 17.

“I figured if it got done today, I’d be a Miami Dolphin,” Hasselbeck told Banks.

“The Packers called and said, ‘You’re traded, but it’s not quite official yet until Mike Holmgren does some paperwork.’

And I said, ‘Mike Holmgren? It’s Seattle?’”

And so, thanks to his relationship with G.M. Ron Wolf, Holmgren was able to swoop in and swipe Hasselbeck, without even giving up a draft pick.

Under the now-outdated draft trade chart, the flip-flop of picks No. 10 and 17 was worth 350 points.

The No. 26 pick in the first round was worth twice that.

So there’s yet another reason to not like Holmgren’s comments.

They’re hypocritical.

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/picking-apart-the-browns-pitch-for-the-griffin-pick/

Picking apart the Browns’ pitch for the Griffin pick

Posted by Mike Florio on March 18, 2012, 8:31 PM EDT

[Guiness]

In light of 2001 Hasselbeck trade, Holmgren’s complaints are hollow

Posted by Mike Florio on March 16, 2012, 1:37 PM EDT
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Under the now-outdated draft trade chart, the flip-flop of picks No. 10 and 17 was worth 350 points.

The No. 26 pick in the first round was worth twice that.

So there’s yet another reason to not like Holmgren’s comments.

They’re hypocritical.

There was also the little thing of Ahman Green being added in, and he worked out pretty well. Don't know what he was valued at, maybe more than the 350 points?

[pbmax]

There was also the little thing of Ahman Green being added in, and he worked out pretty well. Don't know what he was valued at, maybe more than the 350 points?

I think Ahman and Fred Vinson were a separate deal. But what Florio cannot explain in hindsight is how possible it would have been to trade those two first round picks back into the top ten. Picking in the second half of the first round (even twice) does not get Sherman the pass rusher he wanted.

[Guiness]

I think Ahman and Fred Vinson were a separate deal. But what Florio cannot explain in hindsight is how possible it would have been to trade those two first round picks back into the top ten. Picking in the second half of the first round (even twice) does not get Sherman the pass rusher he wanted.

Right, my mistake. I thought he was part of the first round pick swaps. If it was Hasselbeck to move up 7 picks that does seem lobsided, it depends how badly Sherman wanted Reynolds, and it was probably a lot. I don't remember, was he the Pack's first choice, or was there someone else who went off the board before Sherman picked?

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/mike-holmgren-thinks-colt-mccoy-is-fine-with-pursuit-of-griffin/

Mike Holmgren thinks Colt McCoy is fine with pursuit of Griffin

Posted by Josh Alper on March 20, 2012, 9:48 AM EDT