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    I hate this line:

    "We wanted to create a lot of competition in that offensive line as with the other positions and we think we're pretty close to getting a lot of competition there. We'll see how it works out. Nothing is really set in stone there."
    Creating competition is one thing, but it has to be competition among quality players. If you have five guys that stink equally, that's competition, but what good does it do you. I'd rather have 2 great players who stand out and 3 crappy guys.

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    Packers notes: Spitz, Moll still starters
    By Jason Wilde, Wisconsin State Journal

    GREEN BAY - They're still avoiding the dreaded "D" word - demotion - but whatever euphemism the Green Bay Packers' braintrust wants to use, the reality was this Tuesday:

    The offensive line shuffle that occurred Monday in the wake of a disastrous preseason opener was not a one-day experiment.

    For the second straight day, the No. 1 guards were third-round pick Jason Spitz on the left side and fifth-round pick Tony Moll on the right. Daryn Colledge, a second-round pick who'd been the starter at left guard from the first snap of the post-draft minicamp, remained with the second unit.

    Not that Colledge had been demoted or anything.

    "I don't know if you'd necessarily consider it a demotion as much as we're just trying to get the right mix right now," general manager Ted Thompson said. "Daryn is going to be a fine football player for the Packers for years to come. Whether he's a starter opening day, that's still to be determined.

    "We wanted to create a lot of competition in that offensive line as with the other positions and we think we're pretty close to getting a lot of competition there. We'll see how it works out. Nothing is really set in stone there."

    Maybe not, but after playing musical chairs at guard last year, Thompson admitted that the starting five needs to be decided soon so some cohesion can be established.

    "We kind of want to get this thing set pretty quick and try some different combinations," Thompson said, adding that versatility is important because only seven offensive linemen dress on game days.

    "This way, we'll have guys who have lined up at different spots. (But) we have to get this thing set pretty soon."

    Coach Mike McCarthy admitted after Tuesday night's practice that there was a "danger" is shaking up the line this far into camp, but vowed to have the line set soon.

    "By no means am I looking to go into Week 4 of the preseason not knowing who my line is," McCarthy said. "We're going to gather the information this week and hopefully we'll have a decision next week."
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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    O Line

    The O line is giving me a freaking ulcer!

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    • #3
      After watching the game against SD, I'm really bummed about this line. I thought they could at least look serviceable. Now there moving Moll to RG and Spitz to LG. Colledge is now 2nd string. Was Colledge that bad that he's demoted. I didn't even think Moll was going to make the team.

      I know alot of people think it may just be temporary to give Colledge some incentive, but Moll....are you kidding me? What's he going to do against the Shaun boys or the Williams boys? He'll be eaten alive.

      I'm looking for Mookie Moore to crack the starting lineup...at least he's familiar with the scheme and has some experience. Granted it's not alot, but it's more than what Colledge, Spitz and Moll have.

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      • #4
        Wana bad joke? Well here it comes. Nawww.

        Maybe we can just do what Belichick does.

        Always keep bringing players in for tryouts and upgrade - upgrade as the season progress's?

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        • #5
          What happend to Orange Junius? He was penciled in as a starting guard all offseason. He supposedly has the ideal size and athleticism for the ZBS, and now he isn't even in the picture at OG during this shuffling? It makes me think we have been handed a pile of horsepoo by the coaches and their false optimism regarding these players!

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          • #6
            Maybe they meant it 'til they saw that great play "in their underwear" (I love M3 if only for that one phrase) meant diddly when he got in a game... Either that or they heard his wife on the sideline sitting behind Nutz and she was so annoying they demoted him. (of course I'm kidding!)
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Willard
              What happend to Orange Junius? He was penciled in as a starting guard all offseason. He supposedly has the ideal size and athleticism for the ZBS, and now he isn't even in the picture at OG during this shuffling? It makes me think we have been handed a pile of horsepoo by the coaches and their false optimism regarding these players!
              Coston Stinks just as bad as last year

              TT has left this team bare of quality starters on the OL this year. Depth ? We don't need depth; we need five competent starters before we can complain about depth.
              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bretsky
                Coston Stinks just as bad as last year

                TT has left this team bare of quality starters on the OL this year. Depth ? We don't need depth; we need five competent starters before we can complain about depth.

                EEYORE! STOP! Please stop!

                It can't be that bad.... I'm having flashbacks to 2005, when you said the same thing. Then I said the same thing.... Eeyore (smile, ok?) - The line will be OK this year, in about week 9. Until then, hold your breath and pray that Favre survives....

                These guys have got to play before we judge them. Jags had way too much optimism. He got an education. Moreso than any player, IMO. He was talking like he could pull 5 guys out of the stands and turn them into blockers.... He has some work to do, doesn't he?

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                • #9
                  IS Jags delusional or do we really need to be more patient? I'll admit it, I am really starting to think our OL stinks like bad milk, but Jags has seen it before. I posted the following on a different thread, but it warrants a re-read (from PackersNews.com):

                  Jagodzinski said Saturday night was similar to his first exhibition game with Atlanta in 2004, when the Falcons' new coaching staff also was putting in the same Alex Gibbs zone-blocking scheme the Packers are implementing now. In the first exhibition game for coach Jim Mora and his staff in '04, also against a 3-4 defensive scheme facing the Baltimore Ravens, the Falcons had a disastrous offensive performance. They gained 134 yards in total offense, averaged 2.6 yards a carry, had only eight first downs and lost 24-0.

                  The Packers on Saturday gained 218 yards in total offense, averaged 2.4 yards a carry, had 11 first downs and lost 17-3.

                  Atlanta that season ended up winning its division, advancing to the NFC championship game and leading the NFL in rushing. The parallel only goes so far, because Atlanta had the singular running talent of quarterback Mike Vick to fall back on that season. But Jagodzinski has seen this debut dynamic before.

                  "It's discouraging, but you keep getting better," he said. "That's what we're going to do here."


                  I'm sure the Falcons were very disappointed after that first pre-season blow-out, but they got it figured out in time to have a good season. Lets look for continuous improvement against ATL & CIN. If we don't see serious progress by that point then I'll start to mentally prepare for a long depressing season.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by retailguy
                    Originally posted by Bretsky
                    Coston Stinks just as bad as last year

                    TT has left this team bare of quality starters on the OL this year. Depth ? We don't need depth; we need five competent starters before we can complain about depth.

                    EEYORE! STOP! Please stop!

                    It can't be that bad.... I'm having flashbacks to 2005, when you said the same thing. Then I said the same thing.... Eeyore (smile, ok?) - The line will be OK this year, in about week 9. Until then, hold your breath and pray that Favre survives....

                    These guys have got to play before we judge them. Jags had way too much optimism. He got an education. Moreso than any player, IMO. He was talking like he could pull 5 guys out of the stands and turn them into blockers.... He has some work to do, doesn't he?
                    I DID SAY THE SAME THING IN 2005, and unfortunately I was right; if I have unlimited views I'm bound to hit on a few .

                    But it's worse this year. TT had 35MIL; it's inexcusable not to bring in veteran help IMO if he wants to maximize success this year. Do we really think the OL can hold up against seasoned vets with two Rookies and One First Year Player ?

                    I hope I'm wrong in 2006.
                    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                    • #11
                      I'm going to hear the words 35 Mil until someone giving me that much cash would have to take a dollar back, just so I could call it 34.9 million, aren't I? I don't think anyone here really needs reminding of this amount. We all know what we started with, but there was a philosophical choice made about what to do with this money. We got a dozen draft picks, a bunch of front loaded contracts that don't cost anything to dump and we didn't sign Bentley or Arrington. Let's see what the kids do before we shit in their Wheaties.
                      "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                      • #12
                        Well I could use 7 Million for the amount of unused cap space, but that's just as depressing to me.

                        I don't buy the it's just one game so don't worry views.

                        It was just one game for SD; it was just one game for their DL as it was for our OL.

                        But we got our arse kicked around; hopefully it'll go better this week.
                        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                        • #13
                          The O Line is our biggest challenge. I am also surprised that we didn't try to bring in many FAs.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bretsky

                            But it's worse this year. TT had 35MIL; it's inexcusable not to bring in veteran help IMO if he wants to maximize success this year. Do we really think the OL can hold up against seasoned vets with two Rookies and One First Year Player ?

                            I hope I'm wrong in 2006.

                            Not sure that it is worse. The expectations are lower, and the scheme is different. I keep hearing Jags say that it's not that tough. I don't see the need for guards to pull, so I wonder if he's right.

                            I do think it is a bit optimistic to think that they'd play well in their first game, but I did expect better results than we got.

                            Willard's quote is encouraging, but it makes me wonder if it is "damage control".

                            I predict a solid cohesive unit by week 9. While I realize that depresses the hell out of you, I don't think it'd be a lot different with some veterans in there. Not bringing them in was the right decision in my view. We ain't going to the superbowl, Toto. We just need to get these guys some playing experience.

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                            • #15
                              It almost seems like most of you are surprised by the piss poor performance of the O-line in the first pre season game. Why? Didn't most of us agree that the O-line was the biggest question mark going into this season? I for one went on at least 10 drunken rants about our need to fix the problem during the offseason, above everything else. Now, the problem was certainly addressed in the draft, which is good. It was not even blinked at however, in free agency. So how can we be suprised that two rookie guards didn't perform well in their first live action against an unfamaliar foe? I was dissapointed, but definitly not surprised. Now, as many of you have said, it is very early. Give the kids some patience....it was their first time. How good were you your first time?
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