Manny Lawson???

[BlueBrewer]

Supposedly the Packer are "in discussions" with Manny Lawson. I know he has a little name recognition from being a high pick in the 2006 draft but is he an upgrade over any of the OLB bums we currently have? I for one would be willing to try anything at this point.

[ND72]

He's had flashes of success, but has never amounted to what teams had hoped. I'd be willing to give him a chance over the guys we currently have, I think he'd still be an upgrade. and maybe we strike gold!

[Cheesehead Craig]

If there's not a link from PFT, it's not really a story.

[sheepshead]

If there's not a link from PFT, it's not really a story.

[KYPack]

I attend a lot of Bengal games. People always ask me, why? My answer would be what I first thought when I 1st saw Manny Lawson. I saw him make a force and immediately thought, "we outta sign him, he'll only be here a year". "We" is the Packers of course.

But after a year of watching this guy, I still don't really know. The guy is huge. He's listed at 6'5", but he may be taller. He has long arms and is super fast. The first time you see him live, you wonder "who the hell is that"? He is a stud He will make a really brilliant play at least once a game. He sets the edge really well, can play the simple pass cover well and will stuff any run play he can read. He's all-world then, right? not so fast. Any play with a false key will always fool this kid. He's a straight forward player in a league filled with trickery.

His big flaw is his reads. If he takes his time and scopes the play out, he's a step or two behind. if he throws caution to the wind and just tries to make plays, he gets the shit fooled out of him. He pretty similar to...Erik Walden.

He's a great kid, real smart, well spoken. He won't ever get wasted after a ball game, go home & beat the shit out of his woman.

Could the coaching of Capers and Greenie really help this kid and get him going?

Maybe, but I still can't tell if that would help the kid. He tries, but he's simply not an instinctive type LB. And we already got enough of them.

[woodbuck27]

I attend a lot of Bengal games. People always ask me, why? My answer would be what I first thought when I 1st saw Manny Lawson. I saw him make a force and immediately thought, "we outta sign him, he'll only be here a year". "We" is the Packers of course.

But after a year of watching this guy, I still don't really know. The guy is huge. He's listed at 6'5", but he may be taller. He has long arms and is super fast. The first time you see him live, you wonder "who the hell is that"? He is a stud He will make a really brilliant play at least once a game. He sets the edge really well, can play the simple pass cover well and will stuff any run play he can read. He's all-world then, right? not so fast. Any play with a false key will always fool this kid. He's a straight forward player in a league filled with trickery.

His big flaw is his reads. If he takes his time and scopes the play out, he's a step or two behind. if he throws caution to the wind and just tries to make plays, he gets the shit fooled out of him. He pretty similar to...Erik Walden.

He's a great kid, real smart, well spoken. He won't ever get wasted after a ball game, go home & beat the shit out of his woman.

Could the coaching of Capers and Greenie really help this kid and get him going?

Maybe, but I still can't tell if that would help the kid. He tries, but he's simply not an instinctive type LB. And we already got enough of them.

Thanks KY that's some insight we can have confidence in. I think your implying at least that Manny Lawson is puzzling in terms of consistent play throughout a game.

Is that right? I'mm going to dig on that payer and will come back with all I can get to help us here. I'm watching so many players and happenings right now I may be confused. I thought late last night ( tues. 20 March, 2012) that Manny Lawson was in Cleveland after a visit to Green Bay. I need to recheck that too.

OK here it is and it seems that given the way Free Agency goes. The Browns are in the drivers seat RE: signing Manny Lawson:

http://www.samdrewtakeson.com/archives/10004687

[Upnorth]

Unless he can pass rush how would he help the D? I'm not saying we need an all world OLB passer rusher, but a threat to take some heat of Raji and CMIII.

[Old School]

With Lawson and Brad Jones we'd hav e two of the smartest linebackers in the league. Would that smarts translated to execution on the football field.

[KYPack]

Goddamn Woody Wood Buck.

I ain't implying that, I'm tellin' ya. He's wildly inconsistent, physically gifted player. He gets fooled too much. He doesn't have a lot of finess, either. He's an old stand up DE that was converted to LB. For a former DE, his pass rush totally sucks. He is strong at some things, but a LT can block him easily when rushing the passer. The guy has zero pass rushing moves. No swims, no spins, no rips, nothin'. Just a str8 bull rush right at the LT.

Fooler plays and key breakers work like a champ on Lawson. What's the oldest key breaker in the world? The reverse, right? Teams run a couple 3 reverses to Lawson's side a game. At least one of 'em will work like hell. It's freakish, but the guy still can't read stuff like that.

All that shit said, I'm not down on him. He has a combination of speed and strength second to none. You can't throw over him in cover. His arms are super long. If he has a valid read, he's tough as hell to block. His speed to size ratio might be tops in the NFL. Nobody his size is faster than Manny Lawson. Lawson is also a little out of position. He's a natural 3-4 LOLB. he's playing a a 4-3 a lot in Cincy and that really ain't his thing.

I don't think we get him. He's making 3 million on a one year deal in Cincy. He'll sign a 2-4 yr deal with a bonus someplace. I don't think the GBP will win the bid for this puzzling, but intriguing player.

[woodbuck27]

Goddamn Woody Wood Buck.

I ain't implying that, I'm tellin' ya. He's wildly inconsistent, physically gifted player. He gets fooled too much. He doesn't have a lot of finess, either. He's an old stand up DE that was converted to LB. For a former DE, his pass rush totally sucks. He is strong at some things, but a LT can block him easily when rushing the passer. The guy has zero pass rushing moves. No swims, no spins, no rips, nothin'. Just a str8 bull rush right at the LT.

Fooler plays and key breakers work like a champ on Lawson. What's the oldest key breaker in the world? The reverse, right? Teams run a couple 3 reverses to Lawson's side a game. At least one of 'em will work like hell. It's freakish, but the guy still can't read stuff like that.

All that shit said, I'm not down on him. He has a combination of speed and strength second to none. You can't throw over him in cover. His arms are super long. If he has a valid read, he's tough as hell to block. His speed to size ratio might be tops in the NFL. Nobody his size is faster than Manny Lawson. Lawson is also a little out of position. He's a natural 3-4 LOLB. he's playing a a 4-3 a lot in Cincy and that really ain't his thing.

I don't think we get him. He's making 3 million on a one year deal in Cincy. He'll sign a 2-4 yr deal with a bonus someplace. I don't think the GBP will win the bid for this puzzling, but intriguing player.

Hey come on. I'm down with you Packer fan.

I meant...... are you 'implying it might be puzzling? why??' he plays with the inconsistency that he does given his skill set. Given that I'm wondering if he can be coached up in our system. All that likely moot as Ted won't land Manny Lawson or want him ...even. He's in Cleveland and as I write this 'the Browhs ' may be inking Manny Lawson.

Funny how one man's coal is another man's diamond.

I'm confident that you see him accurately as a prospect for us.That your scouting report is reliable. here is support for your observation of Manny Lawson:

FROM: http://www.samdrewtakeson.com/archives/10004687

"excellent initial quickness and acceleration, he typically relies on speed alone to get to the quarterback rather than also developing his technique"

Have a great day KY. (-:

[mraynrand]

If there's not a link from PFT, it's not really a story.

gud one!

[woodbuck27]

Goddamn Woody Wood Buck.

I ain't implying that, I'm tellin' ya. He's wildly inconsistent, physically gifted player. He gets fooled too much. He doesn't have a lot of finess, either. He's an old stand up DE that was converted to LB. For a former DE, his pass rush totally sucks. He is strong at some things, but a LT can block him easily when rushing the passer. The guy has zero pass rushing moves. No swims, no spins, no rips, nothin'. Just a str8 bull rush right at the LT.

Fooler plays and key breakers work like a champ on Lawson. What's the oldest key breaker in the world? The reverse, right? Teams run a couple 3 reverses to Lawson's side a game. At least one of 'em will work like hell. It's freakish, but the guy still can't read stuff like that.

All that shit said, I'm not down on him. He has a combination of speed and strength second to none. You can't throw over him in cover. His arms are super long. If he has a valid read, he's tough as hell to block. His speed to size ratio might be tops in the NFL. Nobody his size is faster than Manny Lawson. Lawson is also a little out of position. He's a natural 3-4 LOLB. he's playing a a 4-3 a lot in Cincy and that really ain't his thing.

I don't think we get him. He's making 3 million on a one year deal in Cincy. He'll sign a 2-4 yr deal with a bonus someplace. I don't think the GBP will win the bid for this puzzling, but intriguing player.

Kinda reminds me of that song by Santa Esmeralda...Ohh Lord Please Don't.....

Something in the air? (-;

KY here's my post on the Free Agency watch thread:

Wed. 21 March,2012 10:15 AM EDT.... Re: Manny Lawson.....

http://www.samdrewtakeson.com/archives/10004687

Bengals’ Manny Lawson draws interest from Cleveland Browns

By Sam Drew on March 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am

Comment woodbuck27:

it would seem from this story that Manny Lawson may have been added to the BROWNS 'shopping list'.

Here is **a quote (and I redirect you to KYPack's observations first hand RE: Manny Lawson on that thread that, recently posted RE: Manny Lawson)

**that supports KY's observations and report on this player.

from.... http://www.samdrewtakeson.com/archives/10004687

"excellent initial quickness and acceleration, he typically relies on speed alone to get to the quarterback rather than also developing his technique"

[KYPack]

Just rattling your crazy little cage, oh Canadian wonder.

I like Old School's comment. Lawson IS a lot like Brad Jones. & we don't need another one of them. If we sign a FA LB or pass rusher,I want him to be a total asshole. We need more crazy ass guys that will wreak a little havoc.

[mraynrand]

[mraynrand]

There's some Manny Lawson in here - and even a Samkon Gado sighting. I'll post some clips from the niners at GB 2010 if I get the chance...