Hargrove is locked up

[woodbuck27]

Ya, possibly. But a few years ago, when Campen was under a lot of criticism because Colledge, Spitz, Coston, Moll, Barbre, Giacomini, etc. seemed to be in stalls regarding their development, MM was asked point blank if Campen might be replaced. MM's response was that Campen himself was developing as a coach, and they had to give him the help he needed to achieve what they wanted. To do that, MM said he had asked Philbin to become more directly involved with the O-line because Philbin was so experienced coaching O-lines. So I have to ask, did Campen find his groove, or did the involvement of Philbin improve the results?

I have always felt that Campen was rushed into the top spot coaching O-line. Maybe the coaching talent is there, and a little more guidance from Phibin the past couple years completed his seasoning as a coach. I guess we might know soon enough, because Campen will be on his own starting this fall, with no one else on staff with prior O-line coaching experience.

Yes.... and today we have an OL that is for all intent, weaker personnel wise, than the one that finished last season. We lost our Pro Bowl Center. We'll have to wait to see how well Scott Wells replacement settles in to replace his contribution to our teams results on offense.

Wait a bit...From Rush DE to OL....Ok. It's the off season.

GO PACKERS !

[MJZiggy]

Yes.... and today we have an OL that is for all intent, weaker personnel wise, than the one that finished last season. We lost our Pro Bowl Center. We'll have to wait to see how well Scott Wells replacement settles in to replace his contribution to our teams results on offense.

Wait a bit...From Rush DE to OL....Ok. It's the off season.

GO PACKERS !

Uhhh...we lost our pro bowl center and replaced him with a pro bowl center. Jeff Saturday has been to five pro bowls. I think it will be fine.

[woodbuck27]

Uhhh...we lost our pro bowl center and replaced him with a pro bowl center. Jeff Saturday has been to five pro bowls. I think it will be fine.

DONG !!!!

Does 'your thinking it' get it done? Does 'thinking it' get anything done MJ?

This one is easy.

In Scott Wells we had it MJ. It was Scott Wells and his Pro Bowl selection as a Green Bay Packer.

NOPE. Sorry MJ. That doesn't sell.

Geting it done is the ticket and Re: Saturday at Center ...it's a wait and see proposition. He's also getting up there in age. How old was Scott Wells? How old is Jeff Saturday?

How many times has Jeff saturdat been a Pro Bowler as a Green bay Packer?

Scott Wells was ALL that.

[MJZiggy]

No, "my thinking it" is not what I'm referring to here. This bit from his Wiki is:
Honors and awards

Saturday has been voted onto five Pro Bowl teams in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 and 2010. For the 2005 and 2007 seasons he was named to the Associated Press NFL All-Pro First Team.
Saturday also received the "Tuesday Morning Quarterback Non-QB Non-RB NFL MVP Award" from ESPN columnist Gregg Easterbrook in January 2007.

[woodbuck27]

No, "my thinking it" is not what I'm referring to here. This bit from his Wiki is:
Honors and awards

Saturday has been voted onto five Pro Bowl teams in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 and 2010. For the 2005 and 2007 seasons he was named to the Associated Press NFL All-Pro First Team.
Saturday also received the "Tuesday Morning Quarterback Non-QB Non-RB NFL MVP Award" from ESPN columnist Gregg Easterbrook in January 2007.

and .... your point is?

Are you projecting that Jeff Saturdy will not only replace Scott Wells but play at a Pro Bowl selection level as our Center?

[MJZiggy]

and .... your point is?

Are you projecting that Jeff Saturdy will not only replace Scott Wells but play at a Pro Bowl selection level as our Center?

Why wouldn't he? He's been selected to the PB 2005-2010 and was an All-Pro twice. What evidence do you have that he cannot do it?

[Fritz]

Geezuz, Woody, please don't tell me you were a math teacher. If you were, no wonder kids make fun of teachers.

[Pugger]

I better not tell Woody I'm a lady too or he'll be condescending to me also...

[Gunakor]

How many times has Jeff saturdat been a Pro Bowler as a Green bay Packer?

As many times as he's suited up in a Green Bay Packers jersey. How many times has Scott Wells been a Pro Bowler for the St. Louis Rams? You can't hold that against either of them. They are both Pro Bowl centers, doesn't matter what colors they were wearing.

[Joemailman]

I better not tell Woody I'm a lady too or he'll be condescending to me also...

Fix your hair and let the men handle the football talk.

[woodbuck27]

Geezuz, Woody, please don't tell me you were a math teacher. If you were, no wonder kids make fun of teachers.

Yes I was a math teacher and found teaching math had special rewards. I didn't teach kids. I taught 'adult education' and in a community college.

[woodbuck27]

I better not tell Woody I'm a lady too or he'll be condescending to me also...

As a matter of fact I guessed that you were a Lady Pugger. That was evident to me as your posting style is not tasteless or aggressive.

Lady or man ... in this environment you need to cut the mustard. Not ...need to have it both ways, all the time.

RE: your post and my assumption that I'm condescending to MJZiggy.

That isn't the TRUTH. I'm certainly not considered superior to MJZiggy in any sense of my or any others imagination. MJZiggy does not consider herself inferior to me. I don't consider myself superior to MJZiggy.

You might look at MJZiggy's style of posting. To condesend to her by definition; I would have to feel superior to MJZiggy. Figuratively speaking ...writing (-: .

I merely deserve a right to breathe 'the same air'. I'd enjoy being an equal and not have to put up with disrespect.

I don't begin posts with 'sighs' and uhhh's. Nor do I leap to leveling insulting unfair accusations and make 'hate mongering' accusations for whatever reason. I do NOT laugh at situations when laughter isn't the correct response. I post with respect and try my best to exercise compassion as I come to better understand an issue. I never 'pile on' to any other poster and 'in fat usually feel for anyone that is being obviously oppressed by 'a pile on attitude'of any number of posters. I'm never afraid to defend my position or disengage when I'm 'out to lunch'.

I always have hope that anyone may change for the better. I'm often remiss as to why people must act as they do in terms of contempt for any other poster.

I treat debate as an opportunity to grow. I try too not get personal, yet defend my positions with integrity and manners. I'm no slouch 'in debate'.

I enjoy Packerrats as my Packer HOME and a place to exchange information non-intrusively and non-defensively. Attacks and insults and ridiculour accusations can 'only' breed an environment that isn't healthy. Injustice demands appeal.

Appeal does not stir attack.