Wonderlic Score ... 'a new record score' ... A FOUR ... A what !?... A Four !! ... What !!?

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

I have to do some follow-up on this story for accuracy and does it really matter as Morris Claiborne will go high in this months draft.

Morris Claiborne was one of fifteen semi-finalists for one of the most coveted awards in college football.

The Jim Thorpe Award (Est. 1986). Jim Thorpe was an excellent running back. He was also a passer and kicker offensively, but on the defensive side of the ball Jim Thorpe was a gifted defensive back.

Morris Claiborne a CB was the winner in 2011. Morris Claiborne is a gifted athlete.

Mel Kiper Jr's BIG BOARD:

KIPER'S BIG BOARD

• Andrew LuckQB, Stanford Cardinal
• Robert Griffin IIIQB, Baylor Bears
• Matt KalilOT, USC Trojans
• Trent RichardsonRB, Alabama Crimson Tide
• Morris ClaiborneCB, LSU Tigers

Obviously Morris Claiborne is outstanding at the College level. Watch video on him to see that for yourself. How well he transitions to the NFL is to be seen.

My question here is:

How intelligent do you need to be to cover an assignment; even if that assignment is a top ranked NFL WR? You back peddle ...you turn your hips...you run the same route as the man your covering and ... you go up for the same thrown pass and knock that pass down or pick it.

Does great athletic ability trump IQ or Intelligence Scores in terms related to being a shutdown cornerback in the NFL?

Jim Thorpe didn't know his IQ (maybe noone else did?) and certainly Jim Thorpe was never given the Wonderlic. He survived very well as an athlete.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

Claiborne gives birth to a four on the Wonderlic

Posted by Mike Florio on April 3, 2012, 7:18 AM EDT


"The joke, however, continues to be on anyone who thinks that all college athletes are also students. Plenty of them aren’t. They’re minor-league football players who have no choice but to wait at least three years until they get a shot at joining the NFL." fr. Story

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jimthorpeassoc.org/2011/10/31/thorpe-award-semifinalists-announced/

Thorpe Award Semifinalists Announced:


Thorpe Award Semifinalists:

Antonio Allen, South Carolina
David Amerson, North Carolina State
Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
Mark Barron, Alabama
Brandon Boykin, Georgia
Brodrick Brown, Oklahoma State

** Morris Claiborne, LSU ** The WINNER.

Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt (the next highest CB ranked by $$... at position NO.10)
Jayron Hosley, Virginia Tech
Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma
Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama (&& ...Analysis ranks him as the #2 CB in the 2012 DRAFT)
Nigel Malone, Kansas State
Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
T.J. McDonald, USC
Chase Minnifield, Virginia

$$ http://walterfootball.com/draft2012CB.php

[woodbuck27]

http://www.kffl.com/a.php/129604/nfl-draft/2012-NFL-Draft-Scouting-Report--Morris-Claiborne--CB--LSU

Weaknesses

Relies too much on athleticism

• Poor tackling technique
• A bit undersized at 5-foot-11, 188 pounds
• Struggles in zone coverage
• Gambles too much
• Tends to get lazy in his technique and cannot allow that to happen in the NFL

Where is Morris Claiborne expected to go in the draft before this information (true or not) came out?

** See LINK PLEASE.

**

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers (No. 5) seem to be the most likley landing spot for Claiborne. The St. Louis Rams could be in play at (No. 6), too.

[SkinBasket]

"The joke, however, continues to be on anyone who thinks that all college athletes are also students. Plenty of them aren’t. They’re minor-league football players who have no choice but to wait at least three years until they get a shot at joining the NFL." fr. Story

Actually the joke is on the American taxpayer, who's spent tens of thousands of dollars to "educate" this kid. He made it through public school, and scored a 4 on a test that asks such challenging questions as: What is the third month of the year? and then gives you multiple choice answers. Congratulations America.

[Guiness]

Something off the charts wrong there. I assume teams know these scores when they interview at the combine?

You can't take a kid with that score unless you have an idea of the cause behind it. No amount of athletic ability can overcome that. I assume the only way to get that score is to be functionally illiterate? Is English his primary language? Dyslexia?

I would think about the worst reason for this score would be arrogance, and not even trying to answer the questions.

[woodbuck27]

Something off the charts wrong there. I assume teams know these scores when they interview at the combine?

You can't take a kid with that score unless you have an idea of the cause behind it. No amount of athletic ability can overcome that. I assume the only way to get that score is to be functionally illiterate? Is English his primary language? Dyslexia?

I would think about the worst reason for this score would be arrogance, and not even trying to answer the questions.

Yes something is 'rotten in the State of Denmark', there..... Guiness. I'm trying to get more information.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.jimthorpeassoc.org/2011/1...sts-announced/

Thorpe Award Semifinalists Announced:


Thorpe Award Semifinalists:

Antonio Allen, South Carolina
David Amerson, North Carolina State
Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
Mark Barron, Alabama
Brandon Boykin, Georgia
Brodrick Brown, Oklahoma State

** Morris Claiborne, LSU ** The WINNER.

Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt (the next highest CB ranked by $$... at position NO.10)
Jayron Hosley, Virginia Tech
Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma
Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama (&& ...Analysis ranks him as the #2 CB in the 2012 DRAFT)
Nigel Malone, Kansas State
Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State
T.J. McDonald, USC
Chase Minnifield, Virginia

$$ http://walterfootball.com/draft2012CB.php

http://www.jimthorpeassoc.org/2011/10/31/thorpe-award-semifinalists-announced/

Thorpe Award Semifinalists Announced:


Thorpe Award Semifinalists:

Antonio Allen, South Carolina
David Amerson, North Carolina State
Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
Mark Barron, Alabama
Brandon Boykin, Georgia ($$ ... position #11)
Brodrick Brown, Oklahoma State

** Morris Claiborne, LSU ** The WINNER and Ranked to go #1 in the 2011 Draft.

Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt ($$... CB at #10)
Jayron Hosley, Virginia Tech ($$ ... CB/PR ... 2013 Draft - Projected #3)
Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma ( $$ ...#3 ranked Safety)

Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama (&& ... CB Ranked at #2 - 2012 Draft)

Nigel Malone, Kansas State
Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State

T.J. McDonald, USC ($$ ... #2 ranked Safety)

Chase Minnifield, Virginia

LOL ... Was anyone with a surname begining with the letter 'N' to 'Z' ...NOT considered a candidate? (-:

$$ http://walterfootball.com/draft2012CB.php

[Zool]

FYI, you just quoted yourself and made 4 changes. Your ppt (posts per thread) is off the charts.

[Tony Oday]

I am sure that he met all the eligibility requirements for the NCAA...WTF over $100,000 spent educating this moron in public schools, $50k for college and he is a moron...He will be broke 3 years after football write that down.

[denverYooper]

He has a learning disability.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/What-you-should-know-about-Claibornes-test-score.html

Where there's smoke, there're mirrors.

[woodbuck27]

He has a learning disability.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/What-you-should-know-about-Claibornes-test-score.html

Where there's smoke, there're mirrors.

There's the answer I was looking for.

Thanks a bunch denverYooper.

[Brandon494]

These kids need to start refusing to take the wonderlic test if they are going to keep making the scores public.

[Tony Oday]

These kids need to be booted from schools if they cant pass a wonderlic test!

Seriously though there needs to be a Major that is Proffesional Athlete rather than pretending these kids are students.

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/03/bus-cook-in-shock-about-claiborne-test-score/

Bus Cook “in shock” about Claiborne test score

Posted by Mike Florio on April 3, 2012, 1:40 PM EDT

"Adam Schefter of ESPN also has gotten a quote from Claiborne’s agent, Bus Cook."

" “I haven’t heard a word about it,” Cook said of the score. “I haven’t talked to anybody about it. All I know is that [Claiborne] was from a complicated defensive system and he flourished in it. I’ve never seen any sort of deficiency in him. I’m sitting here in shock at what you’re telling me.....


And if it is true, how does that get out? I thought the Commissioner was going to put safeguards on this information and there would be severe discipline if it ever did get out. I don’t know if he scored a 4 or a 40. All I know is he’s a great kid, he’s smart, and I’ve been thoroughly impressed with everything about him.” " Bus Cook

Comment woodbuck27:

Place yourself in Morris Claiborn's shoes. Can you try to do that please?

He has a handicap to deal with. He has a learning disability and somehow manages to play college football at a level high enough to be ranked the #1 CB available in the 2012 draft.

The buck can be passed. Opinions can go from here to there and somewhere else. IMO the bottom line lies in 'NOT' ever making Wonderlic scores public knowledge. In Canada it's not easy to determine a student IQ Test score. Often a student is placed in a class with students with similiar IQ's.

The NFL may claim a need to know but the Scouts, GM's etc. have a means to determine a College players intelligence and overall attitude by exercising the interview process.

[pbmax]

These kids need to start refusing to take the wonderlic test if they are going to keep making the scores public.

And you would think his agent would know the kid likely has only taken tests like these with accommodations, so he was destined to fail a one size fits all test.

To anyone who was modestly prepared, it should have been no surprise.