Packers Should Consider Trading Up in the 2012 NFL Draft: Fan's Take

[RashanGary]

So hard to predict. If he were to end up with CMIII the 2nd, then yes. If he were to end up with Justin Harrell the 2nd, no.

If he sits tight and gets CMIII the 2nd, great. If he trades back and gets CMIII great.


It all depends on how things fall. You can draft HOF players at #20 or #38.



Considering how stacked our team is at a few positions. . . . If there is a guy they really like at a position we need. . . . . Yeah, it makes sense to move up. A star at a position of need (DE/OLB/S if we lose Collins) would be a huge boost for us.

I'm for it, but I'm for getting great players however it works out. It's a total guessing game.

If the only way to get a star DE or OLB was to trade a 1st and 2nd round pick. . . . I'd do it. There's no saying that's the case, and the draft is a bit of a crap shoot. It's all going to depend on how much they like the guy they're tradign up for. I trust Ted to do something pretty well with this draft. He usually does. Exactly how he does it, I won't have much judgement on it. He's earned my respect.

[woodbuck27]

So hard to predict. If he were to end up with CMIII the 2nd, then yes. If he were to end up with Justin Harrell the 2nd, no.

If he sits tight and gets CMIII the 2nd, great. If he trades back and gets CMIII great.


It all depends on how things fall. You can draft HOF players at #20 or #38.



Considering how stacked our team is at a few positions. . . . If there is a guy they really like at a position we need. . . . . Yeah, it makes sense to move up. A star at a position of need (DE/OLB/S if we lose Collins) would be a huge boost for us.

I'm for it, but I'm for getting great players however it works out. It's a total guessing game.

In the case of TT trading up and securing Clay Matthews his decision to do so provided a valuable asset for our 'D'. I certainly believe that TT is doing all he can and has done so to better ensure Clay Matthews efforts for us in the future. TT may indeed trade up in this draft and hopefully if he does that move will prove beneficial not be an error.

If the only way to get a star DE or OLB was to trade a 1st and 2nd round pick. . . . I'd do it. There's no saying that's the case, and the draft is a bit of a crap shoot. It's all going to depend on how much they like the guy they're tradign up for. I trust Ted to do something pretty well with this draft. He usually does. Exactly how he does it, I won't have much judgement on it. He's earned my respect.

Thanks JH and Chesehead Craig..Now and finally after filtering this by certain members here..we have a discussion on this subject of certain merit.

The bottom line will be how TT's board looks and what action he see's at any moment before his pick at any point in the draft.

TT wants to better ensure the talent of that player he traded up to draft...Clay Matthews. TT has been active in Free Agency as he's not happy with Clay Matthews being double teamed and to counter that he needs the best pass rusher he can secure. Maybe he trades up again to get a defender he covets to assist Clay Matthews. Maybe he trades up to secure another addition to our roster that he might otherwise have stolen from him.

[Joemailman]

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Your 'off topic' Joemailman.

Your post isn't helping out the focus of this thread. Your post is demonstrating unwarranted prejudice and is therefore unfair and dangerous to the integrity of this forum.

The option you suggest is destructive. The ultimate act of discimination and disrespect. Disrespect is often confused.with prejudice.

That option isn't healthy in terms of maintaing an open mind and learning. It isn't condusive to overall well being at Packerrats.It's certainly NOT anything that pertains to democrasy.

I offer an option:

What about trying to be fair in terms of what I post. It's my humble position that I generally post interesting and pertinant general football / Green Bay Packer / NFL material from which any member at Packerrats can discriminate.

[Cheesehead Craig]

OK Woody, what do you think TT should do given you posted this link so you need to comment on if the original article is correct and TT should trade up or should he stay put?

You can't just put links to stories up and then expect discussion and opinions when you really don't give one yourself. And no, I don't consider the stance of "TT will do what he thinks he should do when the time comes" a valid stance. Pick a side and discuss.

That's what many feel you're missing from your posts. You don't pick a side on an issue. That doesn't promote discussion.

[woodbuck27]

OK Woody, what do you think TT should do given you posted this link so you need to comment on if the original article is correct and TT should trade up or should he stay put?

You can't just put links to stories up and then expect discussion and opinions when you really don't give one yourself. And no, I don't consider the stance of "TT will do what he thinks he should do when the time comes" a valid stance. Pick a side and discuss.

That's what many feel you're missing from your posts. You don't pick a side on an issue. That doesn't promote discussion.

I cannot guess what TT will actually do now. As the draft develops Thursday evening April 26,2012. I would be in a better position to decide what I hoped TT would do.

I'm by nature 'a teacher'. As teacher I don't dominate an issue. As teacher I attempt to inspire people to think and develope a learning process or method for what's best in any issue RE: a question of direction..

Cheeshead Craig. You post you proposed this option that TT would take? I don't recall seeing your post (thread).

Did you positively state or opinion .....that TT would 'in fact' trade up from his present #28 pick?

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Having posted the above and re-thinking your post to me cheeshead Craig and as I returned to this post I noticed Lurker64 has posted thisn thread. I have not read Lurker64's post:

So RE: Your challenge to me here is my response:

I posted the cost of TT moving fr. Pick #28 to Pick #25 earlier this AM.:

"The numerical value of pick #25 (Denver Broncos) is 720 and the Packers #28 pick at 660. The difference = 60.

To move to pick #25. Ted Thompson would have to offer his 4th round pick #123 (value 49) and 6th round pick at #197 (value 12.6); have the Broncos accept it. TT would still have 10 picks with all else remaining the same." woodbuck27

From what I see in that round as available today to Ted Thompson. I see no point today in Ted Thompson trading up to position #25. I have not considered any possibility of Ted Thompson trading up higher than #25.

I do not see any merit in that consideration today.
or.... If I was in Ted Thompson's position as OUR GM. I would NOT trade up in round one. I would bet that TT will not trade up in round one (1).

I certainly might recommend trading up in rounds two and lower if I saw a player I coveted. The cost to me in terms of valued pics being lower than movoing up in round 1.


That cost woud be not worth the real vaue to do so given the dire needs i believe we are in on the defensive side of the ball.

[Lurker64]

I think if they trade up, they ought to trade up in the second round. The "first round" talent pool runs out around 45 (though it may come later due to reaches). So if the Packers could do some sort of "two-step" thing where they trade down into the second, and then also trade up their natural second, and pick twice between 35-45 that could be ideal.

[woodbuck27]

I think if they trade up, they ought to trade up in the second round. The "first round" talent pool runs out around 45 (though it may come later due to reaches). So if the Packers could do some sort of "two-step" thing where they trade down into the second, and then also trade up their natural second, and pick twice between 35-45 that could be ideal.

Yes I agree.

I saw a post this morning and that poster mocked (-:.... the creater of a particular MOCK Draft. I see so many I'm not sure now which one and it doesn't matter; as new prospects are moving up the board it seems to me every day. A prospect that was projected to go at mid round one has fallen all the way to bottom of round one. Many ploayers in round one three weeks ago are now expected to be drafted in the second round.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Cheeshead Craig. You past you proposed this option that TT would take? I don't recall seeing your post (thread).

Did you positively state or opinion .....that TT would 'in fact' trade up from his present #28 pick?

Yep. It was in the "If I was TT, here's my plan" thread. I stated that I thought TT should trade up and take Ingram from SC as the window is now for the Packers and we need a pass rusher to get us over the hump. Or something along those lines. Again, about a month and a half ago.

Thank you for stating your opinion that you don't believe TT will trade up or that he should.

[SkinBasket]

No because Im not the only one tired of your links cluttering the board. Try being more considerate and less stubborn, I know you can do it. I'd really appreciate that. Thank You Woodbuck! Good Night Canada!

I'm with the dark skinned guy, even if he smells like watermelon.

Madtown said he addressed this. I think Woody is trying to push his boundaries.

[woodbuck27]

Yep. It was in the "If I was TT, here's my plan" thread. I stated that I thought TT should trade up and take Ingram from SC as the window is now for the Packers and we need a pass rusher to get us over the hump. Or something along those lines. Again, about a month and a half ago.

Thank you for stating your opinion that you don't believe TT will trade up or that he should.

You might be surprized where DE Melvin Ingram is being positioned in MOCKS. Here's one Mock that has him going at #20:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-B.php

To move from #28 to #20 to get your man. The cost would be 850-660 = 190 Value Points.

That trade up might be compensated by TT trading his 3rd Rd. pick (#90; Value Points = 140) and his 4th Rd. pick (#123; Value Points = 49) for a total compensation of 189 Value Points.

[Smeefers]

I think this is a moot point article. TT will move up if it's affordable and value dictates that he does. He'll move back if it's valuable and available player value says that he can. He'll stay right where he's at if he has a value pick right there. I don't know anyone who thinks he should move up no matter what.

No one thinks we should pull an Atlanta to jump to #3 or #4 to pick up someone. We have tons of picks, so no one is worried if we do give up more than we normally would to move up, but we have such a good scouting department that no one is going to be horrified if we keep these picks and go for quantity again. With the packers, you don't just get quantity with late round picks, you get quality as well.

I was talking to JH about this and I think he hit it on the head. Every year TT hits a home run with a pick. It might not be in the first round, but he always pulls someone in who is an above average player. Normally he gets several NFL Caliber starters out of his drafts. There are a lot of teams out there who can't say that.

[Smidgeon]

Remember when TT traded down out of the first round and missed a player or two that some people really wanted and got some kid named Jordy Nelson instead?

[woodbuck27]

I think this is a moot point article. TT will move up if it's affordable and value dictates that he does. He'll move back if it's valuable and available player value says that he can. He'll stay right where he's at if he has a value pick right there. I don't know anyone who thinks he should move up no matter what.

No one thinks we should pull an Atlanta to jump to #3 or #4 to pick up someone. We have tons of picks, so no one is worried if we do give up more than we normally would to move up, but we have such a good scouting department that no one is going to be horrified if we keep these picks and go for quantity again. With the packers, you don't just get quantity with late round picks, you get quality as well.

I was talking to JH about this and I think he hit it on the head. Every year TT hits a home run with a pick. It might not be in the first round, but he always pulls someone in who is an above average player. Normally he gets several NFL Caliber starters out of his drafts. There are a lot of teams out there who can't say that.

Then thread is here to primarily promote discussion on this possibility of moving up. TT may move up. He may move down. He may be totally satisfied as his 12 picks sit today.

The thread is valid on Packerrats as a point of discussion and opportunity for shared learning. Certain members here may choose to ignore this thread as their perfect right.

The thread is valuable as it's evolved and grows our knowledge of one another; thus promoting better grounds for understanding one another and growing as Packer and NFL fans.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Remember when TT traded down out of the first round and missed a player or two that some people really wanted and got some kid named Jordy Nelson instead?

I think that was the passing on Chad Jackson for Greg Jennings scenario.