One Man's Guess: Pack Mock

[sheepshead]

I am far from a draft guru but the Packers will draft a QB this year. That's almost a certainty.

[woodbuck27]

All the recent mocks with Shea going to Green Bay means he probably won't be going to Green Bay because he's drafted a couple spots ahead. Just another example of getting my hopes up for someone, then missing out at the last second.

There may be better picks then Shea McClellin and the prospects of that fact are revealing themselves daily.

I could've placed a few other names at Pick #28.

[woodbuck27]

I am far from a draft guru but the Packers will draft a QB this year. That's almost a certainty.

and ..... no doubt your correct.

AR and GH = two and we need three.

I thought this morning I might tweek my MOCK to add that QB.

[woodbuck27]

All the recent mocks with Shea going to Green Bay means he probably won't be going to Green Bay because he's drafted a couple spots ahead. Just another example of getting my hopes up for someone, then missing out at the last second.

You'll be happy with whatever TT does. There's just too much need on 'D' now. Then again in one analysis i have it all falling on the loss last season of Nick Collins. Taking that to the distinct reality he may no longer be a Packer and TT leaping to get SS Mark Barron. I did a Mock to cover that possibility but 'only' in a case scenario where Mark Baaron is passed over by two teams that seem a good fit for him. Dallas and the NY Jets. **

It's 'of course', going to depend on the dynamic and whether TT covets a certain pick ie Shea McClellin.

It's certainly appearing as though a solid defensive 'pass rush prospect' will fall back to us.

We're at a disadvantage listening to or reading all the media driven hype. We 'only' do so as we love this hobby.

In a 'keeping it real sense'. I do believe that TT will be 'the man' and we must believe he knows we need an improved pass rush.

** He may move up dealing with a 'shadow allay' like Clevland at a cost of his 4th and a seventh round picks. That gives him ten picks to do his thing, including that improved first rounder. Any team has the same option. The draft isn't an exclusive realm.

It's exciting stuff.

[Guiness]

and ..... no doubt your correct.

AR and GH = two and we need three.

I thought this morning I might tweek my MOCK to add that QB.

We need 3? Haven't we gone the past 3 years carrying 2? Harrell was only elevated just before the playoffs last year.

[woodbuck27]

We need 3? Haven't we gone the past 3 years carrying 2? Harrell was only elevated just before the playoffs last year.

Actually Guiness we have three now: Aaron Rodgers and

6 Harrell, Graham QB ..6-2 .. 215 lbs; 26 Yrs Old fr. Texas Tech


17 Hill, Nick .........QB ..6-3 .. 215 lbs ; 27 years Old ...ditto... S. Illinois


Hope your feeling alot better.

GO PACKERS !

[Guiness]

Actually Guiness we have three now: Aaron Rodgers and

6 Harrell, Graham QB ..6-2 .. 215 lbs; 26 Yrs Old fr. Texas Tech


17 Hill, Nick .........QB ..6-3 .. 215 lbs ; 27 years Old ...ditto... S. Illinois

Yes, three signed right now, but that's a lot different than being on the roster for the season. I wonder what they will do this year, they've shown a willingness to go with just two QB's...so they can carry 5 TE's! It seems like they don't feel the need to carry the traditional 3 QB's, and instead will only do so if they feel they have a prospect that can contribute or needs to be protected, i.e. would be signed off our ps. And even with the later, they've shown they will go to lengths to keep guys who are on the ps, as shown with Gurley last year when Minnesota tried to sign him.

Hope your feeling alot better.

GO PACKERS !

Thanks, I am. A rough ride, but I'm coming out of it.

[Lurker64]

We need 3? Haven't we gone the past 3 years carrying 2? Harrell was only elevated just before the playoffs last year.

Very little upside with Harrell. You want to draft a QB that you can develop into a guy who can win your a couple games and execute the offense, this year I think Green Bay's guys would be either Ryan Lindley or B.J. Coleman, both project to become NFL starting calibre talent after Mac works with them some. It would be interesting to see what he could do with Osweiler if the slot is right (absolutely not before the fourth round) and maybe Russell Wilson (though I doubt he'll be able to sell Ted on the idea.)

The other thing to keep in mind is don't be surprised if Ted drafts a WR early. We have two key starters on contract years and I wouldn't be surprised if Ted wants to insure himself against Jennings wanting too much money to keep(Lang is almost certain to be resigned.)

[Guiness]

Does Harrell have that little going for him? Almost 2 full years on the ps and no one has signed him to a roster does seem to indicate that.

You still have to think he's the frontrunner for the backup QB job, unless they just like the way he runs the scout team (possible). Regardless, I think whether we carry 2 or 3 guys on the roster through the season has more to do with evaluations of the players at hand then filling a designated spot.

[SavedByGrace]

I hope Zeitler falls to us in the 2nd. I know that's wishful thinking, but this kid is so good. Went to high school with him. Absolutely hates to get beat, and has an amazing work ethic. He has lately started working on the Center position, which would almost immediately make him the top C in the draft. What do you know? The Packers could use a Center. Talked to Wisconsin Lutheran's (where Zeitler went) football coach and the Pack has called recently.

[Lurker64]

Does Harrell have that little going for him? Almost 2 full years on the ps and no one has signed him to a roster does seem to indicate that.

He's a noodle-armed system QB. He's not going to be as good as Flynn was, and the offense would drop off noticeably if he had to start. I don't know how much you can improve him. I mean, he's a good kid, he's not dumb, and he tries hard, he's just best suited as a #3 QB.

[Carolina_Packer]

He's a noodle-armed system QB. He's not going to be as good as Flynn was, and the offense would drop off noticeably if he had to start. I don't know how much you can improve him. I mean, he's a good kid, he's not dumb, and he tries hard, he's just best suited as a #3 QB.

Yeah, I agree, they can do better and I hope they draft someone who pushes him big time, so they can see what they have in Harrell. I wouldn't be unhappy it it shakes out in Harrell's favor, if he earns it. Not everyone wants to be a backup QB, or has the talent to be anything more than just that. They don't all have to be starters in waiting, but you'd like to get a guy like that as often as possible. If TT can get one Flynn type, undervalued, can be developed, then he can do it again. Not saying this would happen because the projections are higher, but what if Brandon Weeden fell to the 7th round? Wouldn't you consider him? He's going to have a gigantic chip on his shoulder and will be a guy who can succeed at the next level, but if teams get worried about him being older, that could benefit Green Bay who wouldn't be trying to develop him into a starter, save for injury (God forbid).

[woodbuck27]

Very little upside with Harrell. You want to draft a QB that you can develop into a guy who can win your a couple games and execute the offense, this year I think Green Bay's guys would be either Ryan Lindley or B.J. Coleman, both project to become NFL starting calibre talent after Mac works with them some. It would be interesting to see what he could do with Osweiler if the slot is right (absolutely not before the fourth round) and maybe Russell Wilson (though I doubt he'll be able to sell Ted on the idea.)

The other thing to keep in mind is don't be surprised if Ted drafts a WR early. We have two key starters on contract years and I wouldn't be surprised if Ted wants to insure himself against Jennings wanting too much money to keep(Lang is almost certain to be resigned.)

TT is in a challenging position this draft. He can't easily cover all the holes. Yes we need a better backup it seems.Yes TT has to look to an excellent choice at WR if that's his BPA 'on his board'.

He has to do alot in the first five rounds Lurker64. That's seven picks to get his (1) pass rusher (2 X backed up). To draft to upgrade our defensive backfield (a safety and a CB); and get that WR. That's six picks right there.

[woodbuck27]

I hope Zeitler falls to us in the 2nd. I know that's wishful thinking, but this kid is so good. Went to high school with him. Absolutely hates to get beat, and has an amazing work ethic. He has lately started working on the Center position, which would almost immediately make him the top C in the draft. What do you know? The Packers could use a Center. Talked to Wisconsin Lutheran's (where Zeitler went) football coach and the Pack has called recently.

I have to re-check but I'm thinking that one of our guy's had him down in his MOCK. I need to check that.

Thanks for 'the inside'.

GO PACK GO !

added:

Yes.. Lurker64 and his second Mock;

28) Shea McClellin Boise State
TT's on the phone with Houston talking about trading up when there are two OLBs he likes on the board. He rolls the dice and feels vindicated when McClellin falls to him. TT already has "the guy" at the other OLB spot, and since this is a super bowl contending team, an immediate contributor is more valuable than a long term upside type project. McClellin is smart, hard working, versatile, and he immediately starts opposite Matthews.

TRADE: Packers send #59+#123 +224 to Cincinnati for #53 to select:

53) Kevin Zeitler, OG/OC, Wisconsin
Zeitler played guard at Wisconsin, but practiced at Center but was never needed. TT takes him here to groom him long term at center. Backs up Lang and Sitton this year, replaced Saturday next year (at worst, the year after) at Center to give Green Bay quite possibly the best interior trio in the league.

90) Chris Polk, RB, Washington
Biggest gap in our group of running backs is at the third down back position. Saine isn't really tough enough to run without enormous holes, and neither Starks nor Green distinguish themselves as blockers. Polk offers immediate upside as a third down back and competes for the workhorse role. Fans want TT to take three defensive guys with the first three picks, so the doomsayers will be out in force in Packerland after day 2.

132) Brandon Hardin, FS, Oregon State
Missed most of 2011 with an injury, falls a little due to character reds, but if the staff is comfortable with him as a person, they've got a heck of a FS prospect on their hands. Runs like a deer, hits like an LB.

133) Ryan Lindley, QB, San Diego State
Made as many "wow" throws as any QB in college last year playing in a pro style offense. Footwork needs work and as a result his accuracy suffers, but if there's anything that McCarthy excels at in developing QBs it's footwork. Developmental QB with "asset" potential

[Lurker64]

TT is in a challenging position this draft. He can't easily cover all the holes. Yes we need a better backup it seems.Yes TT has to look to an excellent choice at WR if that's his BPA 'on his board'.

He has to do alot in the first five rounds Lurker64. That's seven picks to get his (1) pass rusher (2 X backed up). To draft to upgrade our defensive backfield (a safety and a CB); and get that WR. That's six picks right there.

We also have 12 picks, and you figure that based on his track record Ted's going to do (or rather *not do*) something in the draft that will get a significant group of Packer fans (who are way worse at this than TT is) up in arms, but it will turn out okay.

The only thing TT could do that would absolutely surprise me is pick a guy who is just not good value for the slot (which is why I argued against Nate Potter in rd 1 earlier). If TT takes Kendall Wright (WR, Baylor) in the first round that would upset a lot of people, but I wouldn't put it past Ted. It's a deep DL group, and OLBs often come from nowhere, your best safeties this year are going to come from converted CBs, and we already turned a 7th round nobody into a quality backup once.

We just have to hope Ted sticks to his board and things break well for him. Even if this isn't a home run of a draft, the Packers are still better than the vast majority of teams in the league.