The REAL state of the Pack!

[sharpe1027]

Here's a stat: 0-1 in playoffs.

Here's another stat: six drops, tied for the most by any NFL team in a game that season.

If you want to play the "only one game counts" game, then you should be arguing for all offense in the draft. They're the ones that lost that game.

[Bretsky]

I don't blame Capers for the scheme. The Packers players on D finally stepped up in the Giants game. Raji finally had a monster game holding his ground. The letdown in players concerns me more than Capers.

The rest was injuries.

Reality Slap...........we need to find players to replace Cullen Jenkins

[mmmdk]

Here's another stat: six drops, tied for the most by any NFL team in a game that season.

If you want to play the "only one game counts" game, then you should be arguing for all offense in the draft. They're the ones that lost that game.

True! How soon we forget.

[pbmax]

Reality Slap...........we need to find players to replace Cullen Jenkins

Yes. But that wasn't the question. The question was how much blame to lay on the feet of the scheme vs the players. Jenkins did not play base D and his absence did not make Raji play horrible Run D.

[Bretsky]

Yes. But that wasn't the question. The question was how much blame to lay on the feet of the scheme vs the players. Jenkins did not play base D and his absence did not make Raji play horrible Run D.

The Players sucked on the DL. We had a number of last DL on your team guys and unfortunately they were part of the regular rotation

[Lurker64]

Yes. But that wasn't the question. The question was how much blame to lay on the feet of the scheme vs the players. Jenkins did not play base D and his absence did not make Raji play horrible Run D.

I think the real problem with Raji last year was that he played waaaaay too many snaps. We couldn't afford to take him off the field because even at 60% he was better than some of the other schlubs we had on the DL, but no 340 pound man should play as many snaps as he does if you want him to make an impact.

When you sit back it's sort of astonishing how many bad breaks the Packers have had with the DL over the last few years. Harrell's career was ended due to a back injury (on his last play he tore his ACL on a field goal block attempt, for goodness sakes), Jolly ended up in jail for drank, and Neal hasn't been healthy since the third week of his rookie season. If any one of those guys didn't get hurt/stupid the defense would have been able to get a much more functional rotation on the DL last year.

Plus, the fact that Howard Green spent the lockout eating was unfortunate, if predictable.

I mean, even guys like Wynn and Wilson are fine to have on your team if you can keep their snaps appropriately low. Wynn's a guy who should be playing ~10-15 snaps a game in passing situations where you want to play base. Instead we were forced to *start* him.

[Fritz]

Somebody pooped the bed - but who?

I don't blame Ted. I think it was reasonable to expect Neal to step up - he did show flashes - and you couldn't reasonably predict the guy would be hurt again. Plus, had he signed Jenkins, how would he afford Finley, Jennings, et al? As is the pack is up against the cap.

I don't blame Capers. I don't think he was running the same stuff in December as in September. Seemed like he was throwing the kitchen sink on blitzes, but guys just kept letting themselves get blocked.

I don't blame Justin Harrell. The guy had bad, bad luck. Hurting your back is not a good think for anyone, but not especially a guy who has that kind of weight and has guys hitting him all the time. And then tearing, what, an ACL on a field goal try? Bad, bad luck.

It's never any single person, but if I had to single someone out, it'd be Johnny Jolly. He made a mistake, made a bad decision, had to pay. And just when you thought he'd learned his lesson and would be coming back....he effed up again. That was a choice.

Had Jolly kept his cranium out of his rectum, that Packer defense would have been so, so much better, I think. Raji would've been more rested. Wynn could've been used more appropriately.

[Pugger]

I think the real problem with Raji last year was that he played waaaaay too many snaps. We couldn't afford to take him off the field because even at 60% he was better than some of the other schlubs we had on the DL, but no 340 pound man should play as many snaps as he does if you want him to make an impact.

When you sit back it's sort of astonishing how many bad breaks the Packers have had with the DL over the last few years. Harrell's career was ended due to a back injury (on his last play he tore his ACL on a field goal block attempt, for goodness sakes), Jolly ended up in jail for drank, and Neal hasn't been healthy since the third week of his rookie season. If any one of those guys didn't get hurt/stupid the defense would have been able to get a much more functional rotation on the DL last year.

Plus, the fact that Howard Green spent the lockout eating was unfortunate, if predictable.

I mean, even guys like Wynn and Wilson are fine to have on your team if you can keep their snaps appropriately low. Wynn's a guy who should be playing ~10-15 snaps a game in passing situations where you want to play base. Instead we were forced to *start* him.

ALL of this! I agree with Fritz too. Jolly is a moron. But don't forget the misses with Jeremy Thompson and Mike Montgomery. If either one of these 2 panned out it would have helped.

And because of these D line issues our pass rush was anemic. This weakness had a domino effect thru the rest of the defense.

[Scott Campbell]

We don't keep as many DL on the roster since the switch to the 3-4. So when you miss on a guy, it's really magnified.

[gbgary]

Called the Packers the "worst defense in 30 years."

what a ridiculous assessment.

[woodbuck27]

Reality Slap...........we need to find players to replace Cullen Jenkins

I don't know where to drop this but thuis is as good a place as any:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/20/clay-matthews-says-hell-never-get-over-loss-to-the-giants/

Clay Matthews says he’ll never get over loss to the Giants

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 20, 2012, 9:15 PM EDT

"Three months after losing to the Giants in the playoffs, Packers linebacker Clay Matthews says he’s not over that loss — and doesn’t think he ever will be." Article

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