Aaron Rodgers speaks out on bounties

[Guiness]

Aaron Rodgers speaks out against bounties

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/20/aaron-rodgers-speaks-out-against-bounties/

Aaron had a few words to say in what amounted to a total non-story.

[woodbuck27]

"If the NFLPA truly believes that no Saints player knowingly took money for hits that caused injuries ....." fr. LINK

Ahhhhh NFLPA.....believes .......what !?

[Guiness]

"If the NFLPA truly believes that no Saints player knowingly took money for hits that caused injuries ....." fr. LINK

Ahhhhh NFLPA.....believes .......what !?

they're in that rock and a hard place spot, trying to play both sides of the fence. Defending the offenders and saying they're concerned with safety. Do they know which way is up?

[woodbuck27]

they're in that rock and a hard place spot, trying to play both sides of the fence. Defending the offenders and saying they're concerned with safety. Do they know which way is up?

You know Guiness....I often meditate on this sort of thing.

Does it seem to you that the more time you spend on this earth. The more foolishness you perceive.

How can the NFLPA ever arrive at any confusion over this matter. Are they going to claim that..

" In the spirit of 'the brotherhood' we are obligated to ensure none of our members suffer an NFL ordained penalty over 'Our Members Safety' even in cases where ' Our Members' are paid incentives to do servere damage to 'Our other members'.

Toss this question to a grade three class and they would hammer out 'the right way' in 30 minutes. Be pleased to receive 'juice and cookies' at the halfway break.

[Guiness]

You know Guiness....I often meditate on this sort of thing.

Does it seem to you that the more time you spend on this earth. The more foolishness you perceive.

How can the NFLPA ever arrive at any confusion over this matter. Are they going to claim that..

" In the spirit of 'the brotherhood' we are obligated to ensure none of our members suffer an NFL ordained penalty over 'Our Members Safety' even in cases where ' Our Members' are paid incentives to do servere damage to 'Our other members'.

Toss this question to a grade three class and they would hammer out 'the right way' in 30 minutes. Be pleased to receive 'juice and cookies' at the halfway break.

Yes, a grade 3 class would solve this easily. A committee of more than 5 members? Not so much.

[gbgary]

the NFLPA’s position that the league hasn’t produced sufficient evidence that the Saints used bounties

wtf? they have confessions. what else do they want?

[Upnorth]

But did the NFLPA give consent for them to confess?

[woodbuck27]

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/04/new_orleans_saints_bounty_scan.html

** "Speaking to reporters and editors at NFL headquarters in New York as part of an Associated Press Sports Editors event, NFL executive vice president and general counsel Jeff Pash chided the players' union for taking a stance more in line with the Saints players than its membership as a whole.....

In effect, Pash said, the union has focused its time and energy defending the Saints players facing stiff penalties and less on behalf of players who could have been injured as a result of the Saints' malevolent intent. " Article ( * Typ.)


Comment woodbuck27: Sure Really screw it over. Protect the past ..don't move forward and protect the now and the more important and valuable future. It's always best to live in the past...cover up...lie...deceive...cast it off as meaningless...attack anyone disciplined enough to use their integrity and say...'that was wrong and that needs to never happen again'. It gets better........ Priceless 'no less'.


** " Goodell has said he won't rule on the players' punishments until he "confers" with DeMaurice Smith, the NFLPA executive director, and Pash clarified that. What Goodell seeks is not so much a recommendation on the appropriate punishment asthe union's help going forward in protecting player safety. " *

** " The union has stated ............ player safety is its top priority ..." *

** " Goodell is acting against an increasingly stormy litigation environment for the NFL as more and more former players file lawsuits against it. " *

** " The recommendation is not really so much on discipline," Pash said. "The commissioner recognizes that is his responsibility. " *


Comment woodbuck27: In this next part of the article and in my long term understanding and first hand practise of what Organized Workers Associations is all about ...herein lies the rub... the real issue and problem for the NFLPA.


** " Pash said..... What do we do to make sure this kind of activity doesn't continue? ....

The players know what went on in the locker room better than anybody else. They understand what happens on the field better than we will and better than we ever can. They ultimately can do as much or more to stop this kind of activity and to participate in changing the culture of the game than all of the edicts from Park Avenue. "

NFLPA defends position

" The NFLPA shot back that Pash is confusing the union's actions on one issue with the overall thrust of its efforts for its members........

We are protecting all players by seeking information that the league has withheld from us despite our repeated requests to obtain it. We are protecting players to ensure that they have a fair due process. We have to protect players from the league on these issues." *

Pash said, the NFL has no evidence the schemes had gone to the level it reached in New Orleans....

"We do not have evidence of the same character and quality as we had in New Orleans to suggest that there was a program where there were specific financial incentives that could lead to player injury," he said. " *

All involved face discipline

"The NFL has said between 22 and 27 Saints defenders were " willing and enthusiastic participants " in the bounty scheme. " *

Comment woodbuck27:

Does thast number 22 -27 represent players of the total 53 man roster or total participants over the full course of 'the bounty Scandal' investigation?

Pash said " that with the exception of retired players, any or all of the players involved could be disciplined. Although major suspensions on the Saints' roster could alter the competitive balance on which the NFL prides itself, Pash warned the violations in question tear at the game's core and thus the season is unlikely to be a factor in the commissioner's thinking.

Here, you are dealing with issues going into the integrity of the game. It is not the same as an on-field infraction.

I think the commissioner would have wide discretion, and that's confirmed under the collective bargaining agreement in terms of what he can do either with respect to a fine or suspension for conduct detrimental," Pash continued. "It's one of the things you have to sit down and sort through. You'll decide which players would be subject to discipline, what their relative level of culpability is perhaps, and try to impose a sanction that corresponds to the conduct."

Although Pash insisted the league has divulged much of the information it uncovered during an on-again, off-again investigation that eventually amassed thousands of documents and was corroborated by, "multiple, independent sources," the union remains unsold. " *

Comment woodbuck27: Here's 'the Ohh Boy !' portion of this article...the 'old pass the buck scapegoat' release.. . . . the clamshell escape route. Well 'of course' hide behind one player of prominance. Isn't it all so lovely. That Ladies and Gentlemen is what makes America so GREAT.

Ever see a certain actor and comedian's portrayal of just this exact thing. It's really so much 'the TRUTH'. Satire generally is.

Yup .....here's 'the clincher:

" Union officials and Saints quarterback Drew Brees have asked to review more of the evidence unearthed by NFL investigators, a request they say the league has thus far declined to meet. That lack of public information, according to the NFLPA, makes it more likely the union will take an aggressive stance in terms of protecting the interests of the players in question. " *

Comment woodbuck27:

Holy SHIT !

[MadtownPacker]

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...unty_scan.html

Comment woodbuck27: Sure Really screw it over. Protect the past ..don't move forward and protect the now and the more important and valuable future. It's always best to live in the past...cover up...lie...deceive...cast it off as meaningless...attack anyone disciplined enough to use their integrity and say...'that was wrong and that needs to never happen again'. It gets better........ Priceless 'no less'.

Comment woodbuck27: In this next part of the article and in my long term understanding and first hand practise of what Organized Workers Associations is all about ...herein lies the rub... the real issue and problem for the NFLPA.

Comment woodbuck27:

Does thast number 22 -27 represent players of the total 53 man roster or total participants over the full course of 'the bounty Scandal' investigation?

Comment woodbuck27: Here's 'the Ohh Boy !' portion of this article...the 'old pass the buck scapegoat' release.. . . . the clamshell escape route. Well 'of course' hide behind one player of prominance. Isn't it all so lovely. That Ladies and Gentlemen is what makes America so GREAT.

Ever see a certain actor and comedian's portrayal of just this exact thing. It's really so much 'the TRUTH'. Satire generally is.

Comment woodbuck27:

Holy SHIT !

Woody, that's a unreadable hot mess. We got the link, we can read the article, this is what it looks like when you just post your opinions.

[Iron Mike]

Woody, that's a unreadable hot mess.

[Joemailman]

Woody's posts are like an impressionist painting. Only he knows for sure what he's really trying to convey.