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TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER -
Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
"Wide receiver: "They drafted a receiver (Randall Cobb) high last year to replace the old man (Donald Driver). Driver is just hanging on but they already have that guy in the pipeline. Now they have two guys they like off the practice squad. So they are locked and loaded."
Makes me wonder how Driver can make the team.
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The exec talks about Hawk's play being adversely affected by the poor DL play in front of him. I think that's spot on. If TT can draft a DL who can create some havoc up front, I think people will be surprised how quickly this defense can improve. I am now on the Jerel Worthy bandwagon.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
Think we can get by with just one? I think we might be down 2 guys now. Or at least a DL and an OLB.Comment
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He'll likely draft at least 2 DL. I think he'll take one early, and he usually takes one late. (Lawrence Guy, C.J. Wilson, Jarius Wynn, Johnny Jolly, Mike Montgomery). The Packers may need to keep an extra one this year due to Mike Neal's suspension.I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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I don't buy that, Hawk just plain sucked last season. DL play had nothing to do with him missing tackles and why were the other LBs not that effect by the DL play?Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
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I still wonder how you guys think some guy off the PS is going to beat out Donald Driver.Originally posted by Scott Campbell View PostComment
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At least he thinks special teams is solid.When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.Comment
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I like the assessment by the "personnel man", but he really doesn't understand TT or the Packer philosophy. The Packers only care about offense... and the Packers never have "levels of urgency".
"'They pick the best player available,' the personnel man said. '"But let's face it. It's about levels of urgency.'"
Other teams may have "levels of urgency", but not the Packers. TT's philosophy says that Lattimore will step in at ROLB, and Hargrove and Muir are all that is needed on the DL. To TT, there are no problems on the roster, there is no "urgency", and there is no need to move up or down in the draft to "fill holes". By TT's reckoning, there are no holes.
This is TT's 8th draft as Packer GM. His philosophy says that all of his developmental guys that he brought in in the past 2-3 years are ready to step into the starting lineup in 2012. It doesn't matter if they can't play, or they simply don't have the talent - TT brought them in and spent the last 2-3 years developing them. Lattimore is your starting ROLB; and Muir/Hargrove is all that is needed on the DL - from TT's POV, that is the end of the discussion.
I fully expect TT to focus on offense again in this draft... which as I've been saying is just as well. The Packers are good at evaluating offensive players - they suck at evaluating defensive players; so we might as well go with our strength, and avoid making mistakes in an attempt to field a defense.
At this point?? Screw it... we might as well just admit what we are, and quit trying to pretend defense is actually a part of the game. Winning games 50-48 is the same as winning 13-10. Of course good defensive teams will kick the fuck out of us in the playoffs, ala the Giants, but winning championships isn't the goal. Developing players is the goal.wistComment
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Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
Wasn't Donald Driver some guy off the PS at one point?
To answer your question - age. It catches up to everyone at some point. Personally I think they should cut Driver. But I'm not sure they will.Comment
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I stopped reading after this. When they switched to the 3-4 (out of a sense of urgency, no less), they drafted Raji and moved up to draft Matthews. When you make blanket, categorical statements that can be rapidly, easily, and unquestionably debunked, it kills your credibility. That's the main reason I never read that Cleft Crusty guy anymore either.Originally posted by wist43 View Post"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - WoodbuckComment
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Yea he was and now hes arguably the best WR in Packers history. I highly doubt Gurley will mirror his career or come close to it. Is Driver the same player he once was? Of course not but dude still had 7 TDs last season being the 4th option.Originally posted by Scott Campbell View PostComment
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From the OP article, with comment:
Defensive end: "They're just kind of piecing it together right now. They've not replaced Cullen Jenkins. That guy was a pretty good player. It wouldn't surprise me if they went high on a D-lineman."
Comment: This scout acknowledges that this position is in poor shape, but doesn't spell out the doom of it all. The Packers have 2 NFL calibur DL, and that includes all positions (DE,DT,NT). The Packers have the worst defensive line in the NFL - no "urgency" though.
Would not be surprised in the least if TT ignores this position til the middle/end rounds.
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Nose tackle: "They've got a Pro Bowl player so I don't think it's a need. This is where you get in the middle rounds and get depth."
Comment: The Packers are burning Raji out fast. What a disheartening situation it has to be for him... continually lined up in that gimmicky 2-5 base, 2-4 nickel; it's Raji against the other teams OL - it wouldn't surprise me if his attitude sours, and he sets his eye on the exit sign at the end of his contract.
The Packers are wasting Raji; and couldn't seem to care less about it.
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Outside linebacker: "It's a (major) need because in that defense those guys play outside linebacker on first and second downs but on third down they become your edge rushers. That position, to them, is probably more valuable than the 5-technique (end). That position is as needy as the 5-technique. Last year they could have gone with an outside pass rusher. It still needs to be addressed. And without Cullen Jenkins it became more of a need."
Comment: TT simply dismisses this position as being unnecessary to the game of football. As an afterthought, he threw Frank Zombo, Brad Jones, and Erik Walden up against the wall - none stuck. Now they're singing the praises of Jamari Lattimore.
Matthews is the only pass rusher offenses have to account for. 6 sacks in the last 7 games, we might as well drop 10 into coverage.
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Inside linebacker: "D.J. Smith is too small. In that defense, they need big guys that can play. I can see why A.J. Hawk didn't have that great of a year. When your front five is not playing well that affects your inside guys. The reason why the Packers are sticking with A.J. Hawk is they feel they had such a drop-off up front that it affected his play."
Comment: Impossible to evaluate b/c of the horrible DL play, and the front seven's overall weakness forcing Capers into crazy fronts. AJ Hawk was more worthy of a 5th round pick, than #5 overall, but at least he is an NFL calibur player. Bishop is an NFL calibur player as well, but when woven in amongst a patch quilt of bartenders and toll booth workers, their weaknesses are more glaring.
ILB would probably be our least weak front seven position; but that's not saying much. By NFL standards they are below average; by Packer defensive standards, they're the strongest front seven group.
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Cornerback: "Yes, they need to get another (top) corner. No question about it. They'll be looking. Corner is always a position of need in the NFL. If there's one there they will take him, but it's not the top priority. It's not like in the first round they've got to have a corner."
Comment: This unit pretty much gets a pass on the entire 2011 season. With Collins injury, and the rest of the mess in front of them... just forget 2011 ever happened, and move on.
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Safety: "Without (Nick) Collins, I see a void. Not just need. Void. They don't have a starter. They'd be losing a Pro Bowl, impact player and you got a bunch of journeymen. They're looking hard for safeties. No doubt about it. I keep hearing about (Charles) Woodson going there. I could see that. It may be that he doesn't want to go there. It's a nice thing to say but a hard thing to do. The talk makes sense to me, but how much does it weaken them at corner? That's why you don't do it. If (Collins) comes back, then it's not a void. "
Comment: Would be surprised if Collins comes back; assuming he retires, this group is now very suspect. Assuming the pass rush doesn't improve, Packerland will be howling for a S in the early rounds of next years draft.wistComment
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Blind squirrel, ScottOriginally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
I was very happy about the Raji pick... but my fear was that once they had Raji and Matthews, they would pretty much quit on the front seven again - which is what has happened.
I had high hopes for Neal too, but he's obviously a bust... by my reckoning, their best front seven drafted player in the last 10 years was Johnny Jolly, but he's wasting his life away in prison.
No SC, TT hit on Raji and Matthews, but I think it's pretty obvious that the Packers always have a glint in their eye for offensive players, and investing high draft picks on defensive front seven players is done begrudgingly and poorly.
TT has been GM for over 7 years now, and has assembled the worst front seven in the NFL. Whether you want to argue that this is b/c the Packers are an offensively minded organization, or that they've missed on a lot of defensive draft picks - or whether you want to argue a combination of the two - you're still left with trying to explain why the Packers have the worst front seven in the NFL.
It's comforting to focus on 2 gems; but when they're presented to you in a basket with 9 turds they kinda lose their luster.wistComment
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