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  • Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
    Fine. You don't like Welker. There's still 10 guys you can pretty much sub with Jennings. And that's why he's not a consensus top 5 WR.
    I said he had top 5 talent which he does, doesn't mean he's going to get top 5 money which is why we will end up resigning him.

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    • Originally posted by Scott Campbell View Post
      There's no disputing the guys talent. And part of his value in Chicago is that there is such a significant drop off to the next best WR on that roster.
      Ultimately, that factors highly into whether or not a guy is retained; how much is the drop-off if he is not on the field?

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      • Originally posted by Patler View Post
        Ultimately, that factors highly into whether or not a guy is retained; how much is the drop-off if he is not on the field?


        Exactly.

        On our roster it potentially becomes a legit question. Which will you miss more - Jennings, or ~$10M of cap space?

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        • Originally posted by Brandon494 View Post
          I guarntee they will, only guy I could see leaving is Finley and we would trade him before we let him walk.
          Finley? Didn't you previously guarantee that he would be a Packer, long term?
          Has something changed your opinion?

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          • The big factor in all of these will be Rodgers. If he expects to be the highest paid QB (as Favre was for a short time) the impact of his contract could affect who might not be re-signed.

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            • Wow, this thread has gotten pretty good.

              I don't know if I could call Jennings a top 5 wide receiver, but I have a hard time arguing that he isn't. The only two dominant WR's in the league are Calvin Johnson and Fitzgerald. There are a lot of people after them that could vie for the #3 spot and I think there's a reasonable argument to be made for Jennings being up there. So, I think Jennings is argueably a top 5 reciever. Wes Welker? No, just.. no.

              Is he better than Hakeem Nicks? Slightly Yes.
              Is he better than DeSean Jackson? Hell Yes.
              Is he better than Steve Smith? - This is actually who I compare Jennings to in their style of play. Smith was better from 2005 - 2008 and had a resurgent year last year. I think GJ was turning on when SS started to slump. If Smith keeps up the pace with cam newton throwing to him, then I could see him being better. If he goes back to how he played the last couple years (500 yard seasons) then no.
              Is he better than AJ Green? Hell Yes.

              Anyway, there's no way that Jennings is going to get top dollar (120 mil? Are you crazy?). He might get good money and if we have it, we'll pay him. I could see us letting him test the market and letting him go if he wants to though. I wouldn't like it, but I can see it happening. I think it's way more likely that TT will lock him up in the middle of this season, or right before free agency. I'd go around a 75% chance that we keep him.
              - Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

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              • Nice trolling with the mention of Brandon Marshall, Patler!

                Not feeling the love for Cambell's list. Andre Johnson missing? No way he isn't top 3, no reason to believe he won't come back from his injury.

                I think the top 5 is too hard to put together at that position. I think Jennings is there, but any other than the top are hard to rank. I'd say there are a couple of guys he's on a level with, but not 10-15.

                As a side note, if I was going to put a guy of Welker's stature in there, it would be Steve Smith, not Welker.
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                • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                  Finley? Didn't you previously guarantee that he would be a Packer, long term? Has something changed your opinion?

                  The wind, perhaps.

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                  • Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                    Andre Johnson missing? No way he isn't top 3, no reason to believe he won't come back from his injury.

                    Good pick.

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                    • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                      I don't expect any Packer except Rodgers to get a "top dollar" contract if by that you mean in the top 5 contracts around the league. The Packers have always been comfortable paying their best players somewhere near the #10 level. Even so, those are expensive contracts that you can't just throw at everybody. Anyone who demands to be in the top 5 will not likely remain a Packer, unless he is a truly special player.
                      Mathews will if he stays healthy. The amount of practice he's missed because of his hamstring(s?) worries me *fingers crossed*
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                      • Originally posted by Guiness View Post
                        Mathews will if he stays healthy. The amount of practice he's missed because of his hamstring(s?) worries me *fingers crossed*

                        What if Raji plays like he did 2 years ago? Things could get a little spendy there - hopefully.

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                        • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                          The big factor in all of these will be Rodgers. If he expects to be the highest paid QB (as Favre was for a short time) the impact of his contract could affect who might not be re-signed.
                          The Saints are facing this problem right now. They've had to let some pretty good players go -- Carl Nicks, Robert Meachem, Tracy Porter (Nicks, an All-Pro) because they, like every other team, can't keep everyone.
                          When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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                          • Welker is an interesting case, similar to Marshall in some respects. I don't think he would be the fifth WR taken if you redrafted the entire NFL this year. But he was given the franchise tender. So to the Patriots, and similar offensive systems, he is not too far out of the top 5.
                            Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                            • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                              I don't expect any Packer except Rodgers to get a "top dollar" contract if by that you mean in the top 5 contracts around the league. The Packers have always been comfortable paying their best players somewhere near the #10 level. Even so, those are expensive contracts that you can't just throw at everybody. Anyone who demands to be in the top 5 will not likely remain a Packer, unless he is a truly special player.
                              If Clay becomes dominant again he will be top 5.

                              And now that I have read to the end I see that others have said this and I was redundant. Crap.
                              All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.

                              George Orwell

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                              • Originally posted by Patler View Post
                                Finley? Didn't you previously guarantee that he would be a Packer, long term?
                                Has something changed your opinion?
                                Haha this guy!

                                I never said anything about long term I just said I guarntee we would not let him walk and would resign him over Wells.

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