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Originally posted by Fritz
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Well there's no problem in the 2-4 or 3-3 packages we run most of the time anyways but when we go to use the 3-4 Perry would maybe steal a few pass-rushing attempts from Matthews which would be fine. Harrison has the same thing happen to him and he still produces. Perry might just leave the field for the 3-4 though. Or play RDE.70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris. -
If he could play RDE on some downs, that would be cool."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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I hear what you're saying, but if you watch him play. He's friggin good. Sneaky good.Originally posted by 3irty1 View PostFormerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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I think this McClellin kid looks pretty good.
He showed me some plays where he took on blockers but was still able to make tackles. I liked the play where he jumped over the blocker and still made the tackle. He looks like he has strong hands. It shows him getting around the edge quickly on some plays. I liked how he defended that option play. He basically took away the option run and the pitch on the play and caused a fumble. Good instincts.
I realize he won't be Clay Matthews, but there were some plays that reminded me of Clay. Strong hands to strip the ball. A pursuit sack that reminded me of Clay's concussion hit on Kolb in 2010. Getting around the edge. There was a play where he ran an inside stunt and knifed through in a way that reminded me of Clay.
They didn't show him in coverage, and he doesn't quite have the quickness and knee bend that Clay has getting around the corner, but I'm now on board with this guy. In fact, I was impressed enough to think this guy won't be there when we pick."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Upshaw looks slow and lumbering compared to McClellin.
Branch looks even less impressive. To me, he plays like a DE. He looks lost in space. He actually reminds me a bit of So'oto.
David looks like a big safety. Tell me he's one of the smaller 3-4 OLBs available in the draft? He looks like he'd get swallowed up in the NFL.
I want to like Hightower as a 3-4 OLB, but I see a lot of zone blitzes where he comes free up the middle. Reminds me more of Desmond Bishop than an ideal 3-4 OLB. He does look a little more athletic than Branch and Upshaw and looks like a thumper. Can't really judge him as a potential 3-4 OLB off these videos, but I like him as an ILB prospect.
Perry is kind of blah to me. His sacks are unimpressive. I think the transition is going to be tough for a lot of these 3-4 OLB candidates.
Really hard to get a feel for Mercilus from his highlights. My first though is that he looks funny. He looks like he has no neck and his shoulder pads are tiny. However, there are some plays that make him intriguing. At least, somebody was trying to block him on most of his sacks.
Similar thoughts on Curry. He looks like a pretty good 4-3 DE prospect.
Not sure what the buzz on Ronnell Lewis is, but he looks more intriguing to me than many of these other guys.
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There are some guys (like Ingram) that will be long gone when we pick, but of the rest I like McClellin the best. The only other guys I want Thompson to consider in the first round are Mercilus (although I've read that he'll likely be gone also) or Hightower (if Thompson thinks he can transition to 3-4 OLB). To me, Upshaw, Curry, Perry, and Branch are similar enough that Thompson could wait until round 2 and hope one drops. Plus, I question how easy the transition will be for these guys. Lewis in round 2 is intriguing option to me.
I'm hoping that if we don't get McClellin or Mercilus, that there will be a good 3-4 DE prospect available. Then, look to Lewis in round 2 or maybe that sleeper everybody is talking about later in the draft.Last edited by HarveyWallbangers; 04-26-2012, 01:59 AM."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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I think people are missing the boat if they think this McClellin kid is an average talent, hard working type. The athleticism he shows on his highlights is every bit as impressive as most of these other guys. And he also looks to be more versatile. Upshaw to me seems more like a guy that is limited athletically, but will probably be a decent player. I guess he could be a Ray Lewis type. A guy that didn't wow you with his measurables, but whose passion, intelligence, and physicality allowed him to make up for whatever athletic limitations he might have had."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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I'm frankly dubious of youtube highlights as a way to judge a guy.
On the other hand, I don't know a damn thing about any of these guys, really, except what little I've read. So I am willing to entertain your notion, Harv, that the kid is the real deal. I trust Thompson's judgement - I think he's maybe the best talent evaluator in the NFL - and I'm hoping the losses of the Mckenzies and Schneiders don't take their toll and that their replacements (like Elliot Wolf) are as sharp-eyed or maybe moreso.
The other thing none of us get to really see is what these guys are like in person. I have a feeling that would influence me greatly. So maybe I'd like some guy based on my scholarly internet reading of draft gurus, but maybe Ted knows in doing his work and talking to the kid that the kid actually has no idea what it takes to be a pro, and his personality is such that he'll very likely never learn. So Ted passes, and I get mad cuz clearly Ted can't judge talent...
So if Thompson drafts McClellin, I won't bitch. I will hope that you and Ted are right, Harv.
Now, if Thompson drafts a tight end, I might just bitch..."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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Yes, there is rumbling on the football side of the internet that McClellin is getting a "hard worker" backhanded compliment leveled at him because of skin color and draftniks who don't watch tape.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
But a lot of confused pundits use athleticism differently after the combine. Prior to it, it describes play on the field. After the combine, its a comment about how well they would do in a decathlon.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Mathews was a rush linebacker in college. His primary job was to line up on the line of Scrimmage and rush the passer. Perry played the same position at USC. Perry is athletic enough to cover the flat, you don't have to be Deon Sanders to cover as an OLB in the 3-4 defense, you do if you have no pass rush capabilities like Walden and Zombo. Think about it, Perry has to better at just about everything than those guys.Originally posted by Fritz View PostComment
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Yeah, Impact players. Lets take a look at the top 10.Originally posted by Smidgeon View Post
Mario Williams†- Great
Reggie Bush - Severely underperformed
Vince Young† - Sucks
D'Brickashaw - Solid
A. J. Hawk† - Solid
Vernon Davis† - Solid
Michael Huff - Underperformed
Donte Whitner - Sucks
Ernie Sims - sucks
Matt Leinart - Out of football? I don't know what even happened to this guy.
You could do this every year. TT didn't hit a home run, but that year the only one who did was Houston and they had the first pick.
AJ Hawk was actually one of the better picks from the 2006 draft. Yes, there were better players taken later on, but I find it hard to believe anyone would have said Ngata or Mangold were top 10 players when they were being drafted. There is one guy you could argue about and that's Vernon Davis (and he specifically stated he wouldn't play for Green Bay) and he's had a less than steller career. AJ Hawk has lead the packers in tackling 4 of his 6 years here. He was #2 his second year. Last year was really his only poor year and he still had 84 tackles.
† = Pro Bowl- Once again, adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.Comment
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This is the whole Georgia game, I think he is about the closest thing to Clay Mathews avaliable at the 28th selection.Comment
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Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View PostUpshaw looks slow and lumbering compared to McClellin.
Branch looks even less impressive. To me, he plays like a DE. He looks lost in space. He actually reminds me a bit of So'oto.
David looks like a big safety. Tell me he's one of the smaller 3-4 OLBs available in the draft? He looks like he'd get swallowed up in the NFL.
I want to like Hightower as a 3-4 OLB, but I see a lot of zone blitzes where he comes free up the middle. Reminds me more of Desmond Bishop than an ideal 3-4 OLB. He does look a little more athletic than Branch and Upshaw and looks like a thumper. Can't really judge him as a potential 3-4 OLB off these videos, but I like him as an ILB prospect.
Perry is kind of blah to me. His sacks are unimpressive. I think the transition is going to be tough for a lot of these 3-4 OLB candidates.
Really hard to get a feel for Mercilus from his highlights. My first though is that he looks funny. He looks like he has no neck and his shoulder pads are tiny. However, there are some plays that make him intriguing. At least, somebody was trying to block him on most of his sacks.
Similar thoughts on Curry. He looks like a pretty good 4-3 DE prospect.
Not sure what the buzz on Ronnell Lewis is, but he looks more intriguing to me than many of these other guys.
McClellin
Mercilus
Hightower
Upshaw
Curry
Lewis
Perry
Branch
David
There are some guys (like Ingram) that will be long gone when we pick, but of the rest I like McClellin the best. The only other guys I want Thompson to consider in the first round are Mercilus (although I've read that he'll likely be gone also) or Hightower (if Thompson thinks he can transition to 3-4 OLB). To me, Upshaw, Curry, Perry, and Branch are similar enough that Thompson could wait until round 2 and hope one drops. Plus, I question how easy the transition will be for these guys. Lewis in round 2 is intriguing option to me.
I'm hoping that if we don't get McClellin or Mercilus, that there will be a good 3-4 DE prospect available. Then, look to Lewis in round 2 or maybe that sleeper everybody is talking about later in the draft.
Repped.
After watching some other vids (I know, I know), I watched this one against Georgia:
He holds up against SEC talent and gets a sack at the right time. Another thing TT looks for, production in big games when it counts.
I am now sold, color me McClellin in the first.Comment
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I like how Perry gets off on the snap, very explosive, but I just don't know if he is going to translate to OLB at the next level, Mathews has a smaller build, a little more athletic than Perry.Comment
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Good videos, Deputy. Perry looks sluggish in space. Why is he wearing #8? McClellin plays a different spot on almost every play. he looks comfortable in coverage, but was only asked to cover a blob of a TE. Packers may favor McClellin's versatility over anything else, given Caper's proclivity to mix things up.Comment
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